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sigma: you need to wait 5 seconds and then-

mxl players: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Gekko64 wrote:mxl players: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


It's no good design and shouts artificial difficulty!. The ubers don't get harder or more interesting, the game just gets more frustrating.

For example Baal - bad design would be "up his HP and damage by 1000%" good design how he is at the moment, summons new bosses that make him immortal...

Bad design is "there you go 5 second death penalty for everyone" good design "look at that fucking uber boss you need to be swift on your feet and avoid these projectiles while dashing out as much damage as possible in this short time window after he uses that one spell"

The death in diablo where you had to pick up your corspe was called ghost mode. Now if you died, the game went black and white, you become a ghost like character with certain spells and there are certain ghost hunt mobs you have to avoid/distract/kill to get to your corpse. That would add a whole new element and is actually interesting. Staring at the screen for 5 seconds adds literally nothing.
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well tons of games use that method, but I do agree making it start low and get progressively higher if you keep chaindying sounds better, as long as there's a cap
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Nitz wrote:design


The good old "do you even design" posts :lol: If you want to talk design the first thing you have to do is put things in context. If you think this feature is about adding "artifficial difficulty" you are completely missing the point by the way. I will do admit it was dumb posting the screenshot with no context at all - it's our duty to provide it, so here are my main points:

- This is intended to replace the current death penalties (gold / experience)
- Gold penalty did not provide anything interesting for gameplay - it also made people not cba to use mercs.
- Experience penalty made the whole getting to 121 really awkward with cows and stuff. You had to get to 120, get a certain amount of charms, then commit to dcowing and only dcowing all the way to 121. Not a lot of fun.
- 5s death timer is fucking negligible penalty if you compare to loss of corpse + gold + exp in prev patches. Not sure what the fuss is about.
- You're thinking about how annoying ubering will be with death timer. But tons of ubers will be reworked to be beaten deathless. Lookup "Boss Events" feature for sigma.
- The timer makes death cheesing much less time-efficient strategy. And that's a good thing.


But more than anything the biggest points in favor of this change are the boss events + the fact that this replaces existing death penalties.
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The timered respawn thing is basically already in effect. You die, spend 1-2 seconds trying to click on your corpse behind the TP in town, 1-2 seconds restocking your belt, and another 5-7 seconds resummoning and rebuffing.

I like the idea of a short, interactive sequence before you can get back to the action. Original Prey FPS had something like this in the form of a timered mini-game. You went to the Spirit World where you had a short time (maybe 10s) to kill as many evil spirits as you could with your basic spirit bow. Each spirit you killed gave you a small amount of HP back before you respawned in place. The better you got at it, the better off you'd be when you revived. Gave a bit of extra challenge without feeling like you were being punished for maybe trying something different that just didn't work out.

Nobody likes death penalties, but they need to exist. Otherwise death has no consequence. But it should stop your progression, not reverse it. And it shouldn't be a barrier to experimentation.
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I remember old dbaal when you have no rip mod and reanimates are still alive when you die, Baal will fill the room with shardspawns when you just watch and don't return to town. Same thing still with those flit spamming monster (infernal machine) and the monster in iotss, good thing they're doable unlike old dbaal.
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Give Chicken a purpose like Laz did.

After dying lure Chicken to Burial Grounds to make proper funeral with animal sacrifice, then you can back from the dead.
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Unda wrote:Give Chicken a purpose like Laz did.

After dying lure Chicken to Burial Grounds to make proper funeral with animal sacrifice, then you can back from the dead.


Hmmm, so if I were to lure a chicken to BR in Median, what would happen?
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CallMeCrazySam wrote:
Unda wrote:Give Chicken a purpose like Laz did.

After dying lure Chicken to Burial Grounds to make proper funeral with animal sacrifice, then you can back from the dead.


Hmmm, so if I were to lure a chicken to BR in Median, what would happen?


I hope Golden Egg charm with oskill Chicken summon using VK mechanics when dying and turning hostile in Diablo Clone form.
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the 5 second timer with the current level of 1 shots is pretty lame sounding to be honest. Ill withhold full judgement til i actually play it but the way it sounds adding time to deaths on its surface just seems tedious to me without really adding any real benefit. I kind of echo Nitz feelings about this from his earlier post. The whole "you died" loading screen in dark souls is i think the single most annoying thing about that game for me. Life is short and id rather not spend it watching timers click down. 5 seconds is indeed short so im sure id get used to it but you kind of have to question if this really adds anything to the game.