M17 1.1.3 Bugs&Feedback

Has anybody else been able to confirm an Edyrem Key or a great rune drop from Morlus in this patch? Farmed Lilith's infinite spawn of Morlu for 2+ hours on p8 with neither of those dropping, even though I had 3 Edyrem Keys drop from another map on only p1 (mainly fighting archers). Seems kinda fishy that I'm sprite overflowing and having my game freeze just from the amount of items on the ground and there's no great rune or Edyrem Key drops from Morlus.

Also what happened to the 1.1 changes for Toraja: "Archers are now goatmen, quest boss is now Zagraal" ? I'm seeing rogue archers and Lilith still.

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Anyone else having trouble hitting laz totems with projectile spells? They were sometimes buggy before, but now it seems 1 out of 4 are invulnerable to ranged spells. It even shows the totem being hit animation and the totems quake spell is triggered. They will always die to melee hits and spells with no projectiles. Slows down the clean up quite a bit.

When fighting Baal if he summons Vision of Diablo and you allmost killed it you get a crash. Happened to me 3 times in a row. Internal error and c0000005.

villur wrote:
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So lets talk assassins for a second.

I was super pumped to play an assassin this patch because I felt like I liked the nagisin playstyle - some skill switching and getting rewarded for it. I planned to mostly stay nagi and have throw on switch for some single-target / kiting potential where needed. Duriel for example, if you get hit he spawns fortress so if you're squishy you need to kite him around where throw was useful.
The reality was however far from rewarding.
Starting terror 2nd half, lets say from act3 is where things started to get very hard for assassin:

50% avoid started to feel like nothing coupled with a low life pool. I had all my gear MOd to max ED and TCD and that didn't chance the fact that I couldn't stay in melee range of monsters anymore.
Damage started to fall off on both nagi and throw. Not sure if its because of pierce loss or bad scaling but I had maxed ways, maxed ED on nagi and socketed with jah runes. Sure elites were okayish to clear but bosses and superunques were just super hard. For a glass cannon the damage for sure wasnt there at all.
The whole experience started to feel like running against a wall. Constant deaths and just corpse running bosses to take them down.
I don't think this is a l2p issue as I've been playing median since 2012 and played multiple different builds over the years. And from what I've heard caster sin is totally fine for leveling and charms so its mostly about a nagisin / hybrid wdm build thats lacking in all areas in my opinion.

Now maybe sin is still one of the strongest as a maxed out char but that doesn't mean the leveling, gearing and charm getting process doesn't get to be there and what point is there if you have all the charms and are equipped with T1 meta uniques. Farming cows just for the sake of it? Its the good curve of gearing, getting charms, farming and feeling your character get stronger bit by bit that I like about median.

How's your attack speed, max poison res and leech? For leveling game you should also have a minimum of 5 FHR (preferably 4).

Also are you using both crucify and barrier strike? Your damage and leech will suck if you use backstab, it's a single target skill after all.

I would imagine torajan jungles being complete cancer though (unless you can dodge the axes by blinking on top), since I'm playing a bowa with 12k hp + 50% dr and I still get one shot occasionally.

Also the spec is weakest midgame (being paper against bosses without ~max block wych/broadside switch thus forcing grinding nihlathak for sigs and tfauzt for shrines to get a decent nagi), and MXL 2017 basically made it weaker mid and stronger endgame.

It's probably too much grind for most players to handle without abusing trade.

soundee wrote:Has anybody else been able to confirm an Edyrem Key or a great rune drop from Morlus in this patch? Farmed Lilith's infinite spawn of Morlu for 2+ hours on p8 with neither of those dropping, even though I had 3 Edyrem Keys drop from another map on only p1 (mainly fighting archers). Seems kinda fishy that I'm sprite overflowing and having my game freeze just from the amount of items on the ground and there's no great rune or Edyrem Key drops from Morlus.

Also what happened to the 1.1 changes for Toraja: "Archers are now goatmen, quest boss is now Zagraal" ? I'm seeing rogue archers and Lilith still.

Been farming morlu something like 3-4 hours, no gr drop yet.

Just got auhe from a normal morlu in the level, wasn't spawned by lilith (but I doubt there's a difference).

cowking wrote:
villur wrote:
► Show Spoiler
So lets talk assassins for a second.

I was super pumped to play an assassin this patch because I felt like I liked the nagisin playstyle - some skill switching and getting rewarded for it. I planned to mostly stay nagi and have throw on switch for some single-target / kiting potential where needed. Duriel for example, if you get hit he spawns fortress so if you're squishy you need to kite him around where throw was useful.
The reality was however far from rewarding.
Starting terror 2nd half, lets say from act3 is where things started to get very hard for assassin:

50% avoid started to feel like nothing coupled with a low life pool. I had all my gear MOd to max ED and TCD and that didn't chance the fact that I couldn't stay in melee range of monsters anymore.
Damage started to fall off on both nagi and throw. Not sure if its because of pierce loss or bad scaling but I had maxed ways, maxed ED on nagi and socketed with jah runes. Sure elites were okayish to clear but bosses and superunques were just super hard. For a glass cannon the damage for sure wasnt there at all.
The whole experience started to feel like running against a wall. Constant deaths and just corpse running bosses to take them down.
I don't think this is a l2p issue as I've been playing median since 2012 and played multiple different builds over the years. And from what I've heard caster sin is totally fine for leveling and charms so its mostly about a nagisin / hybrid wdm build thats lacking in all areas in my opinion.

Now maybe sin is still one of the strongest as a maxed out char but that doesn't mean the leveling, gearing and charm getting process doesn't get to be there and what point is there if you have all the charms and are equipped with T1 meta uniques. Farming cows just for the sake of it? Its the good curve of gearing, getting charms, farming and feeling your character get stronger bit by bit that I like about median.

How's your attack speed, max poison res and leech? For leveling game you should also have a minimum of 5 FHR (preferably 4).

Also are you using both crucify and barrier strike? Your damage and leech will suck if you use backstab, it's a single target skill after all.

I would imagine torajan jungles being complete cancer though (unless you can dodge the axes by blinking on top), since I'm playing a bowa with 12k hp + 50% dr and I still get one shot occasionally.

Also the spec is weakest midgame (being paper against bosses without ~max block wych/broadside switch thus forcing grinding nihlathak for sigs and tfauzt for shrines to get a decent nagi), and MXL 2017 basically made it weaker mid and stronger endgame. I would imagine you now need to get yourself to a position to comfortably farm to lvl 121 for access to kab runewords.

It's probably too much grind for most players to handle without abusing trade.

Well i didn't think hitting breakpoints would be required while leveling as it isn't with any other class(atleast I haven't had the need to hit them before 120) and no I wasn't using backstab. I was keeping up shadow refuge, bloodbath and using barrier strike for aoe and crucify for single-target with broadside on switch. But i didn't die to fhr lock, I just got totally destroyed by regular hits, both ranged and melee. The spec feels as squishy as bowzon but without the huge lifepool from paragon and range advantage from wyrmshot and barrage kiting. I actually switched to bowzon after giving up on the assassin and I was amazed how much of a struggle the assassin leveling was compared to bowzon.

I can share the sentiment of squishiness from the aspect of a javazon. Though for me it's more a problem of killing before I'm killed. It's especially punishing now that a lot of charms are hidden deep within places that are a complete pain in the ass to grind through without at the least decent gear. I can't even kill the treewarden-looking things in Torajan Jungle due to hit rating, and if I'm not vigilant the slams will just outright kill me whenever I get in range with lower than like 2.5k hp.

I've been trying to get to Rathma Square in hopes of getting a good Spirit Trance Herb to help with AR, but going through the Triune is pretty much impossible.

That said, my gear isn't great. And crafting in median is a no go for me, the 8 actual manhours I've put into crafting in the past has yielded me one single usable item. I guess that's just my luck though.

I like M2017 in general, but a few things make the experience less enjoyable than Ultimative, the main thing for me being attack speed. Everything feels super sluggish compared to before and it's not as satisfying imo, and unless I've derped when using the speedcalc I should be at max AS. I also feel like necro especially got kind of gutted, granted it was a super strong class, so I suppose it's justified in the end.

With that said, the good outweighs the bad in the end, but slow midgame for a lot of characters (especially now that charms are significantly harder to get to.) makes me more inclined to put the game down than keep on trucking.

Felnah wrote:I've been trying to get to Rathma Square in hopes of getting a good Spirit Trance Herb to help with AR, but going through the Triune is pretty much impossible.

Don't go through Triune then? Go into Bastion of the Triune, go to far left entrance. Rathma Square staircase is literally right inside there

I have two bugs to report. If you die while in the middle of an Angel of Death leap, your body goes back to town but it doesn't show that you died and the screen doesn't pop up that you died and you can't get hurt or target things, so you just walk around unable to do anything. (has happened twice and only in Cathedral of Vanity). Second is that sometimes after you die and you press esc, It sometimes just closes the program instead of re-spawning you. Otherwise, great job!!!

Minor typo: showing "go to level 2" (should be level 3) despite being on level 2 in countess tower