Level 60+ Mind Flay on Druid, Very Low Damage. Possibly a bug

[Crash]

hard points scale the damage a lot higher than soft points. the oskill will naturally be weaker than the paladin tree skill because it doesn't scale the base damage of the skill up.

[demonshalo]

hard points scale the damage a lot higher than soft points. the oskill will naturally be weaker than the paladin tree skill because it doesn't scale the base damage of the skill up.

The difference is not that big for Mind Flay because his numbers are somewhat in line with the hard points I tested on my SP paly!

[Scalewinged]

You simply must use symbiosis synergy for extra around 100%+ light spell damage and stack more gear for it just like on any another caster. Bow itself won't give you op oskill. It's not weak because of "damage scaling" (which is not based on any hard points for mind flay) but because of not enough boost like NRG(factor), STR(factor), light spell damage, etc.

[TopXIMaje]

I found MF better if I face tanked mobs, guessing because it meant all the beams were hitting the same target. Defeated the point of why I went a caster though so ultimately ditched it. Needs another buff imo.

[Pinball]

IIrc there is a video about xbow druid with Mindflay proc farming fauzt. Can't find it atm . From RomanN1 I think

[mortimer_85]

hard points scale the damage a lot higher than soft points. the oskill will naturally be weaker than the paladin tree skill because it doesn't scale the base damage of the skill up.

This is not correct.
The base Damage of most spells is scaling with skill level and char lvl only.
The most important difference to base skill lvl are the Synergies that granted by base points.
If there is a difference between Pala mindflay and Oskill mindflay in damage numbers while all other variables are the same, then probably because the damage tables are different and therefore they are kind of different skills.

@ harshmellow:



On a fresh lvl 100 Druid you do not have access to Symbiosis nor have you enough stat points to equip SSU Viper Bow and boosting your Synergy granted by your Energy. But if you want to go for it from start I have some suggestions and maybe it will work out much better than you thought.

First of all get - 10 req jewels for all 6 sockets of your SSU bow - maybe with some adds but plain - req will work fine too. You will end up with 264 str required. All other gear pieces that you wear for battle should not have higher reqs.
The other stat points (more than 300) you can put into energy to boost your synergy. This will be much better than Ort runes at this stage, if we take the buffing from mark of the wild and the Acid Fiends into account.

For prebuff I would use a

Norma

a

Robe of Leaves

Robe of Leaves
Scale Mail (4)
Defense: (127 - 147) to (254 - 293)
Required Level: 4
Required Strength: 27 to 28
Item Level: 10
+5% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(24 to 43)% Enhanced Defense
+10 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(2 to 3)%
Poison Resist +(21 to 25)%
Requirements -(3 to 5)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (452 - 505) to (816 - 911)
Required Level: 21
Required Strength: 52 to 54
Item Level: 31
+10% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(64 to 83)% Enhanced Defense
+20 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(3 to 4)%
Poison Resist +(31 to 35)%
Requirements -(6 to 10)%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (1166 - 1275) to (2031 - 2221)
Required Level: 39
Required Strength: 171 to 179
Item Level: 51
+15% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(104 to 123)% Enhanced Defense
+35 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(4 to 5)%
Poison Resist +(41 to 45)%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (1738 - 1885) to (3030 - 3287)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength: 322 to 338
Item Level: 77
+20% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(124 to 143)% Enhanced Defense
+50 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(5 to 6)%
Poison Resist +(46 to 50)%
Requirements -(16 to 20)%
Socketed (6)

and a

Sagespirit

Sagespirit
Compound Bow (4)
Two-Hand Damage: (7 - 8) to (16 - 32)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 5
Required Dexterity: 57
Item Level: 10
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+1 to Druid Skill Levels
+5% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
(31 to 50)% Duration Bonus to Mark of the Wild
15% Attack Speed
+(6 to 20) to Maximum Damage
(31 to 50)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+(18 to 35)% Enhanced Damage
+(16 to 25) to Dexterity
Socketed (2)
Two-Hand Damage: (25 - 28) to (52 - 75)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 24
Required Dexterity: 92
Item Level: 36
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(1 to 2) to Druid Skill Levels
+10% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
(71 to 90)% Duration Bonus to Mark of the Wild
25% Attack Speed
+(21 to 40) to Maximum Damage
(71 to 90)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+(52 to 69)% Enhanced Damage
+(36 to 45) to Dexterity
Socketed (4)
Two-Hand Damage: (61 - 66) to (112 - 148)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 42
Required Dexterity: 186
Item Level: 51
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(2 to 3) to Druid Skill Levels
+15% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
(111 to 130)% Duration Bonus to Mark of the Wild
35% Attack Speed
+(36 to 65) to Maximum Damage
(111 to 130)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+(87 to 103)% Enhanced Damage
+(56 to 65) to Dexterity
Socketed (5)
Two-Hand Damage: (81 - 88) to (142 - 182)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 51
Required Dexterity: 370
Item Level: 85
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(2 to 4) to Druid Skill Levels
+20% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
(131 to 150)% Duration Bonus to Mark of the Wild
40% Attack Speed
+(43 to 75) to Maximum Damage
(131 to 150)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+(104 to 120)% Enhanced Damage
+(66 to 75) to Dexterity
Socketed (6)

with perfect rolls those items will give you 91% Spell damage Buff. To wear the buffing gear easily you can MO it with -req. Buffing Duration will be pushed to ~140 sec due to the Bow

For Battle

Skyguard

Skyguard
Falcon Mask (4)
Defense: (101 - 113) to (148 - 166)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 8
Required Strength: 25
Item Level: 19
+(3 to 5)% to Lightning Spell Damage
-(4 to 5)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+(3 to 5)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(4 to 5)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(1 to 4) to Forked Lightning
+(30 to 46)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 2%
+(4 to 5) Mana after each Kill
Socketed (2)
Defense: (346 - 379) to (478 - 525)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 25
Required Strength: 50
Item Level: 36
+(6 to 10)% to Lightning Spell Damage
-(8 to 9)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+(6 to 10)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(8 to 9)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(9 to 12) to Forked Lightning
+(64 to 80)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 4%
+(8 to 9) Mana after each Kill
Socketed (2)
Defense: (865 - 935) to (1174 - 1269)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 175
Item Level: 51
+(11 to 15)% to Lightning Spell Damage
-(12 to 13)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+(11 to 15)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(12 to 13)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(17 to 20) to Forked Lightning
+(98 to 114)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 6%
+(12 to 13) Mana after each Kill
Socketed (3)
Defense: (1283 - 1385) to (1737 - 1874)
(Druid Only)
Required Level: 51
Required Strength: 350
Item Level: 85
+(16 to 20)% to Lightning Spell Damage
-(14 to 15)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+(16 to 20)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(14 to 15)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(21 to 24) to Forked Lightning
+(115 to 132)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 8%
+(14 to 15) Mana after each Kill
Socketed (4)

,

Queen of Glass

Queen of Glass
Ancient Armor (4)
Defense: (315 - 344) to (630 - 688)
Required Level: 11
Required Strength: 33 to 34
Item Level: 29
15% Cast Speed
-(6 to 8)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
+(76 to 125) to Mana
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Cold Resist +(21 to 25)%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (899 - 969) to (1718 - 1852)
Required Level: 30
Required Strength: 57 to 60
Item Level: 40
25% Cast Speed
-(11 to 13)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
+(176 to 225) to Mana
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Cold Resist +(31 to 35)%
Requirements -(21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (2084 - 2224) to (3911 - 4173)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength: 175 to 186
Item Level: 67
35% Cast Speed
-(16 to 18)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(276 to 325) to Mana
Lightning Resist +(41 to 45)%
Cold Resist +(41 to 45)%
Requirements -(31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (3013 - 3202) to (5650 - 6005)
Required Level: 54
Required Strength: 323 to 344
Item Level: 85
40% Cast Speed
-(18 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
+(326 to 375) to Mana
Lightning Resist +(46 to 50)%
Cold Resist +(46 to 50)%
Requirements -(36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)

(both Tier 3 for lower reqs until you get some charms),

Moonwrap

Moonwrap
Sash (4)
Defense: (16 - 18) to (20 - 21)
Required Level: 1
Required Strength: 25
Item Level: 1
5% Cast Speed
+3% to Spell Damage
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(11 to 15)%
Cold Resist +(11 to 15)%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (119 - 129) to (131 - 141)
Required Level: 17
Required Strength: 50
Item Level: 31
15% Cast Speed
+9% to Spell Damage
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Cold Resist +(21 to 25)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (331 - 353) to (370 - 395)
Required Level: 35
Required Strength: 125
Item Level: 51
25% Cast Speed
+15% to Spell Damage
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Cold Resist +(31 to 35)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (493 - 524) to (542 - 576)
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 250
Item Level: 77
30% Cast Speed
+20% to Spell Damage
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(36 to 40)%
Cold Resist +(36 to 40)%
Socketed (2)

and

Rabbit's Foot

Rabbit's Foot
Boots (4)
Defense: 8 to 14
Required Level: 1
Required Strength: 21
Item Level: 1
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+10% to Spell Damage
+5 Maximum Stamina
(1 to 5)% Gold Find
(1 to 5)% Magic Find
Requirements -15%
Socketed (1)
Defense: 75 to 88
Required Level: 17
Required Strength: 35
Item Level: 31
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+12% to Spell Damage
+10 Maximum Stamina
(5 to 10)% Gold Find
(5 to 10)% Magic Find
Requirements -30%
Socketed (2)
Defense: 184 to 215
Required Level: 34
Required Strength: 96
Item Level: 51
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+16% to Spell Damage
+15 Maximum Stamina
(15 to 20)% Gold Find
(15 to 20)% Magic Find
Requirements -45%
Socketed (3)
Defense: 258 to 296
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 140
Item Level: 77
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+20% to Spell Damage
+20 Maximum Stamina
(25 to 30)% Gold Find
(25 to 30)% Magic Find
Requirements -60%
Socketed (4)

on Tier 4. Honorific gloves with Spell damage, maybe resistances and stats to wear gear more easily- more points into energy -> more Synergy.
2 rare rings with 1 skill, lightning pierce, lightning Spell damage, rare amulet with 3-4 all skill , pierce and Spell damage.

MO everything with Lightning Spell Damage, and stuff you need. All except the bow socket with Ort runes.



Energy factor will be more beneficial when you gathered quite some charms with stats and hit the 2000 energy mark. At this point you should crafting Jewels with EF and Spell Damage and other stuff you need.

[demonshalo]

hard points scale the damage a lot higher than soft points. the oskill will naturally be weaker than the paladin tree skill because it doesn't scale the base damage of the skill up.

This is not correct.
The base Damage of most spells is scaling with skill level and char lvl only.
The most important difference to base skill lvl are the Synergies that granted by base points.
If there is a difference between Pala mindflay and Oskill mindflay in damage numbers while all other variables are the same, then probably because the damage tables are different and therefore they are kind of different skills.

Basically anything under "Next Level" in the tool tip scales the same way by a soft point or a hard point unless the dmg tables are different for that particular spell. The synergies part however does not get carried over by soft points. Which is why I wanted to test the damage tables for MF by using a SP paly to compare. I can confirm that it looks about the same tbh so the dmg table isn´t altered or at least not in any major way. It´s just that stacking the dmg on druid and getting it to work like it does on paly will be a lot harder considering the slot lock among other things.

IIrc there is a video about xbow druid with Mindflay proc farming fauzt. Can't find it atm . From RomanN1 I think

Like I said, it´s a meme late game thingy you switch to if you are bored. But leveling up with it and making it into a viable build (not just a late game switchero) is going to be mighty difficult primarily due to item stats and slot lock. But would be fun to see the video if you can find a link for it. That´d be appreciated!

[Crash]

from ducker's showcase

[Bagboy_Brown]

from ducker's showcase

This is a paladin. There was never any question about whether or not Mind Flay on a pally was good. I don't see how this is relevant to his Druid.

[Crash]

settle down, i apologize for making a human mistake and misreading.

roman has made this bow druid video a long time ago. he has another one called electrodruid somewhere that used supernova proc rings, sky spirit, sur rw crossbow, and devil's dance quiver, but i can't find it anymore.