Σ 1.2.0 Announced

[mikeboydota]

LIGHTNING JAVAZON! MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[Primarch]

I just got a bowzon to level 135, and it was fucking painful, the bowzon can not have defenses(even when not using ecstatic frenzy) and she can NOT deal single target damage, thus I had to buy all the 120+ charms, even with the absolute best gear an amazon can use(600phys damage crafted bow, x2 giant knuckle, knights grace, 5k dexterity, etc). So Im glad to see Bowzon getting some attention, as she was completely useless this league compared with other classes.

played bowzon till 125 this season and done all ubers except ureh

what do you mean “NO single target”? Phalanx is incredible, and paired with spellbind, its really good.

I can agree with lack of survability, but with unlimited sprint it opens for a fun playstyle. Overall what was lacking is the elemental side of it imo (and you can expect changes in that regard)

Can you comment on any potential plans of touching up the spearzon tree?

[Daerouie]

Bowzon buffs, YESSSS!! Ive been asking for years
The char auction feature is really clever!

Ditto on the Bowzon but I do feel as though it wasn’t the most underpowered Zon build.

I played spearzon long before Gorefest-Danmaku proc-zon was a thing and warpath spewed a barrage of javelins. I’ve waited for a Spearzon rebalance for ages.

They mentioned 10 new build changes but only listed 9 so I’m gonna shove a four-leafed clover up my ass and hope for the best.

Not just ten. It says 'over 10' build improvements. Hopes up!

[Scalewinged]

Ещё основные квесты д2 удлиннили, в ультимативе были сокращены, для быстрой прокачки, а тут за одного перса приходиться по полдня тратить на прохождение даже 1сложности.

Говорили уже тысячу и один раз - сокращены были не для "быстрой прокачки", а потому что НЕЛЬЗЯ БЫЛО ИНАЧЕ сделать доп. уберы в Ульте (Ишари. Теганза, Ведьма, Ксазакс - все занимали квестовые локи 2/3 актов).

Can you comment on any potential plans of touching up the spearzon tree?

What's wrong with spearzon?... Skyrocket damage and defense, good farming skill, epic single target skill, even buff that can give you ultimate self-healing ability and negates needing in stacking lot of IAS..

[Primarch]

Ещё основные квесты д2 удлиннили, в ультимативе были сокращены, для быстрой прокачки, а тут за одного перса приходиться по полдня тратить на прохождение даже 1сложности.

Говорили уже тысячу и один раз - сокращены были не для "быстрой прокачки", а потому что НЕЛЬЗЯ БЫЛО ИНАЧЕ сделать доп. уберы в Ульте (Ишари. Теганза, Ведьма, Ксазакс - все занимали квестовые локи 2/3 актов).

Can you comment on any potential plans of touching up the spearzon tree?

What's wrong with spearzon?... Skyrocket damage and defense, good farming skill, epic single target skill, even buff that can give you ultimate self-healing ability and negates needing in stacking lot of IAS..

You haven’t played Spearzon in the last 5 years, have you...?
The fact that you think TCD in any way makes up for a lack of block/dodge is laughable. Also, the self healing ability pales in comparison to eagle stance except you have less than half the HP of a barbarian.

Great hunt damage is decent single target but you don’t live long enough to take down any serious endgame Uber and it only hits 4 times, not even close to stormblast/Ancient’s hand in terms of damage and you don’t get the procfest.

Exactly how much content have you cleared as a spearzon in SIGMA? Now compare that to pretty much any premier class build.

[cnlnjzfjb]

Exciting！BTW，pure spell bds are too weak compared to melee ones in sigma, and the items for spell charas are also rare. There are few choices for spell bds. In such a case，I still don't get it why there has to be a nerf on neutraldin in 20th season.... It just doesn't make any sense! My neutraldin didn't have a spirit walker or the collector from the season beginning till now....Poor little thing, right? I didn't even dare to try an elemental sor, cause I know it definetly will turn out to be an awful bd and my experience will be terrible. why are spell charas so weak? why are the items for spell charas so rare，with almost no substitutes and fucking expensive? and I have to say, plz strengthen the pure spell bds_(:з」∠)_

[Farmer]

How many bug fixed?

[nodoubt0322]

I had a solo self-found lv13x bowzon in this season. She had fastest level speed than other zons in early stage imo. She can do all 120 ubers without much pains except the Amazonian Godess (doable, 40~60mins with 2~3 death) . It took me more than a hour to kill ASTROGHA ,but I believed it will be faster next time. It took me about 8~10 mins to full clear DUNCRAIG with 300+ mf. I think it is not that bad. You need disable ECSTATIC FRENZY and handle the defence / ias problems in order to farm VIZ-JUN and FAUZTINVILLE. You will need very good gears in order to farm these two places. But it is not hard for a bowzon to farm element runes and get a Xis-Sur rw amazon bow, then starts to farm DUNCRAIG. Rapid Wyrmshot in su amazon bow is very strong in fighting hard ubers. Phalanx became very Inefficient because the fire element and the merc can't tank anymore. The boss will keep moving and Phalanx won't hit him a lot. BTW, Rapid Wyrmshot make TEGANZE completely a joke and you can get that bow in k3k.

I also had a SSF bowzon in HC in this season. She can lv in cow run safely with tu when she is lv110. I believed some builds can't do that because you know this is hardcore and you only had one life.

To me, the issue of spearzon is how to keep hyena strike fury buff always "on". Really really high life regeneration and good dr% , especially when amazon usually had high life. Skill level and buff duration help. If the buff duration works for moonbeams, I believe bow/javelin hybrid build will be variable.

[Glamdring26]

Ещё основные квесты д2 удлиннили, в ультимативе были сокращены, для быстрой прокачки, а тут за одного перса приходиться по полдня тратить на прохождение даже 1сложности.

Говорили уже тысячу и один раз - сокращены были не для "быстрой прокачки", а потому что НЕЛЬЗЯ БЫЛО ИНАЧЕ сделать доп. уберы в Ульте (Ишари. Теганза, Ведьма, Ксазакс - все занимали квестовые локи 2/3 актов).

Can you comment on any potential plans of touching up the spearzon tree?

What's wrong with spearzon?... Skyrocket damage and defense, good farming skill, epic single target skill, even buff that can give you ultimate self-healing ability and negates needing in stacking lot of IAS..

You haven’t played Spearzon in the last 5 years, have you...?
The fact that you think TCD in any way makes up for a lack of block/dodge is laughable. Also, the self healing ability pales in comparison to eagle stance except you have less than half the HP of a barbarian.

Great hunt damage is decent single target but you don’t live long enough to take down any serious endgame Uber and it only hits 4 times, not even close to stormblast/Ancient’s hand in terms of damage and you don’t get the procfest.

Exactly how much content have you cleared as a spearzon in SIGMA? Now compare that to pretty much any premier class build.

I didn't played spearzon in sigma but your point of " TCD in any way makes up for a lack of block/dodge is laughable." seemed weird. There are tons of builds that doesnt use block/dodge and relies on life/defense that is very tanky.

Also comparing the healing ability to eagle stance seemed weird as well since there isnt a lot of build that uses eagle stance a lot. Some healing abilites are better than others, and thats a fact but it doesnt necessarily mean that they should all be same. Eagle stance for example. If you take that stance you sacrifice the option to use the other stances since they are invested enough. Losing bear stance for defense or losing wolf stance for offansive abilities.

Same goes for stormblast/Ancient's hand. Those are one of the best single target skills in the game. Comparing something to them seems odd to me.

[Primarch]

Ещё основные квесты д2 удлиннили, в ультимативе были сокращены, для быстрой прокачки, а тут за одного перса приходиться по полдня тратить на прохождение даже 1сложности.

Говорили уже тысячу и один раз - сокращены были не для "быстрой прокачки", а потому что НЕЛЬЗЯ БЫЛО ИНАЧЕ сделать доп. уберы в Ульте (Ишари. Теганза, Ведьма, Ксазакс - все занимали квестовые локи 2/3 актов).

Can you comment on any potential plans of touching up the spearzon tree?

What's wrong with spearzon?... Skyrocket damage and defense, good farming skill, epic single target skill, even buff that can give you ultimate self-healing ability and negates needing in stacking lot of IAS..

You haven’t played Spearzon in the last 5 years, have you...?
The fact that you think TCD in any way makes up for a lack of block/dodge is laughable. Also, the self healing ability pales in comparison to eagle stance except you have less than half the HP of a barbarian.

Great hunt damage is decent single target but you don’t live long enough to take down any serious endgame Uber and it only hits 4 times, not even close to stormblast/Ancient’s hand in terms of damage and you don’t get the procfest.

Exactly how much content have you cleared as a spearzon in SIGMA? Now compare that to pretty much any premier class build.

I didn't played spearzon in sigma but your point of " TCD in any way makes up for a lack of block/dodge is laughable." seemed weird. There are tons of builds that doesnt use block/dodge and relies on life/defense that is very tanky.

Also comparing the healing ability to eagle stance seemed weird as well since there isnt a lot of build that uses eagle stance a lot. Some healing abilites are better than others, and thats a fact but it doesnt necessarily mean that they should all be same. Eagle stance for example. If you take that stance you sacrifice the option to use the other stances since they are invested enough. Losing bear stance for defense or losing wolf stance for offansive abilities.

Same goes for stormblast/Ancient's hand. Those are one of the best single target skills in the game. Comparing something to them seems odd to me.

But that's the point of a comparison. He claimed that Spearzons have great survivability because of pool-based life regen/high armor rating and that their single target damage is great (Great Hunt) and i'm saying "Compared to what?" I used the barbarian as an example of why that statement is patently false. Are you referring to ranged/caster builds? I'm simply comparing one melee build to another.

An absolute top-of-the-line Spearzon has roughly 1.3m defense and ~12-13k HP (curare). a similarly geared Barb has around 30k HP and 1.1-1.2m Defense.

I'm aware it isn't a direct apples to apples comparison but that disparity is the key focus here. The disparity between two different melee class builds and their potential.

A level 50 hyena strike Regenerates 100 percent Life in 6.64 seconds and gives 20%DR. That's 12-13k hp in ~7 seconds. That's around almost 2k HP per second regenerated.

A level 50 Eagle Stance (23 hard points 27 soft) Regenerates 100 percent Life in 14.84 seconds. That's ~30k hp in ~15 seconds. That's also 2k HP per second but with more than double the HP bar and you don't have to worry about reapplication as well as physically running to retrieve a health orb (sometimes the collision bugs too). In addition, if you toss spirit walkers on the barb, you receive 600% mana regen(from eagle stance) * (1/18%) Damage Reduction, which exceeds the 20 you'd receive from Hyena Strike.

As you've already stated, those are some of the best single target abilities in the game. So a beast with two and a half times as much HP and potentially the same amount of LR is gifted with such strong single target abilities. Spearzon gets the worst of both worlds. I know I sound like I have an axe to grind but I truly don't understand how anyone that's played Spearzon in recent years can claim they excel in any capacity. Their farming ability in P3+ slows to a crawl in areas like Fauzt and you can clear just as fast with many other builds that also happen to be more versatile.

In addition, Spearzons suffer from horrible gearing options. You're practically forced into using Helepolis for The DR and the selection of spears is pretty much limited to 1. Then you have to juggle poison penetration (awkward to build around) while melee Barbs can just play with their dick and massacre endgame in TU's.

Can you name a build in a worse state than Spearzons right now in terms of versatility and overall excellence in their primary speciality?