Over abundance of certain drops

Howdy,

I am 99.99% certain that I am not the only one that experiences an extremely skewed drop rate on certain SU and Set items. It is mentally draining and hinders the fun of grinding when you see the exact same drops from game to game to game. I am not asking for an increase in SSU drops, but just some diversity in what actually drops.

In one game, that the room was open for about an hour, I had the following repeat drops.
- 4x Tower Rush
- 3x Lacerators
- 3x Red Vex Curse
- 3x Tracker's Knife
- 3x Hangman's
- 2x Snowstorm
- 2x Ring's of Truth

Imagine how nice it would have been if 13 of those drops would have just be somethings different and unique.

sadly , the crappy ones have a much higher chance to drop than those which are really worth something . that way you can just sig a lot of crap before you find something useful and so you sink a lot of hours into the game for farming the stuff you actually need . i believe it's all intended and i don't think it will change in the near future

Common bases are more common than rare bases.
SUs are more common than SSUs.

Therefore, common SUs are more common than SSUs or rare SUs.

Drop chances from one item to the next are different.

adamo68 wrote:Howdy,

I am 99.99% certain that I am not the only one that experiences an extremely skewed drop rate on certain SU and Set items. It is mentally draining and hinders the fun of grinding when you see the exact same drops from game to game to game. I am not asking for an increase in SSU drops, but just some diversity in what actually drops.

In one game, that the room was open for about an hour, I had the following repeat drops.
- 4x Tower Rush
- 3x Lacerators
- 3x Red Vex Curse
- 3x Tracker's Knife
- 3x Hangman's
- 2x Snowstorm
- 2x Ring's of Truth

Imagine how nice it would have been if 13 of those drops would have just be somethings different and unique.

Some uniques are weighted to drop more often than the others (within same item base). The exact ratios are salvageable from d2 files. I remember looting well over 20x

Viper Mandate

Viper Mandate
Maul (Sacred)
Two-Hand Damage: (177 - 199) to (196 - 221)
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 630
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
-3% Enemy Poison Resist per Snake Stance Base Level
30% Attack Speed
(50 to 200)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+50% Damage to Undead
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Damage
+(8 to 12) to Snake Stance (Barbarian Only)
25% to Vitality
Maximum Poison Resist +(1 to 3)%
Poison Length Reduced by 50%
Socketed (6)

before i got 1

Hammer of Jholm

Hammer of Jholm
Great Maul (Sacred)
Two-Hand Damage: 76 to 89
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 1472
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
While Using Windform:
Adds 3 - 5 Fire Damage per 20 Attributes
Adds 3 - 5 Lightning Damage per 20 Attributes
+200% to Fire and Lightning Spell Damage
-1% to Enemy Fire and Lightning Resists per 60 Attributes
15% Chance to cast level 60 Nova on Melee Attack
15% Chance to cast level 63 Apocalypse on Melee Attack
120% Attack Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
+20 to Windform
Requirements +100%
Socketed (6)

.

for me the winner is

Screen of Viz-Jaq'Taar

Screen of Viz-Jaq'Taar
Quilted Armor (Sacred)
Defense: (11132 - 11789) to (12317 - 12993)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 500
Item Level: 105
+(171 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
+(5000 to 6000) Defense
2% Reanimate as: Random Monster
Socketed (6)

I could open a shop with tons of these

Well wasn't it always the case with Median, and diablo in fact. It has thousands of items but only some of them actually get used. These are the ones that are TOO good and tend to get nerfed after that. In Laz's version Jitan's Kamon was by far the best armor you can get, bar only some SUs and high end RW's. This version of median had SSU Bone Shield, i mean come on, how this even went through beta testing.

At least Sigma made some advances in buffing those completely unusable items, mostly low base TU's. TU Club is actually useful item now, as it has high IAS and 30% all stats. Unholy melee does have niche use for this item, before those changes it was rather useless for just about any class.

But it is something you just can't fix. Every game suffers from this. You either have a buttload of legendary quality drops (Diablo-style) and most of them are shard material, or you have low number of legendaries but they are actually useful (POE style, where a simple tabula rasa dropping at level 10 is a half decent item carrying well into endgame content)

Conquest wrote:Well wasn't it always the case with Median, and diablo in fact. It has thousands of items but only some of them actually get used. These are the ones that are TOO good and tend to get nerfed after that. In Laz's version Jitan's Kamon was by far the best armor you can get, bar only some SUs and high end RW's. This version of median had SSU Bone Shield, i mean come on, how this even went through beta testing.

At least Sigma made some advances in buffing those completely unusable items, mostly low base TU's. TU Club is actually useful item now, as it has high IAS and 30% all stats. Unholy melee does have niche use for this item, before those changes it was rather useless for just about any class.

But it is something you just can't fix. Every game suffers from this. You either have a buttload of legendary quality drops (Diablo-style) and most of them are shard material, or you have low number of legendaries but they are actually useful (POE style, where a simple tabula rasa dropping at level 10 is a half decent item carrying well into endgame content)

Collector and spirit walkers are perfect examples of how to not design an item.

One thing to point out is removal of many SU in sigma.
It left many bases without SU version. Among these, there are more low bases than higher ones(a bit at least).
As far as I know, if base rolls as SU but such an item doesn't exist, it will drop set instead.
Long story short, removed common-drop SUs are dropping as sets today

Correct me if I'm wrong, can't remember whole d2 well.

Items that have a lower quality have higher chance of dropping ( Quilted armor vs Sacred Armor) in any area. Only exception to that is the old Duncraig as far as I’m aware of. Key here is simply how many mobs you kill.

As for rings and ammy, all unique drops have their own ratio to spawn when a unique item is generated. Rings of Rings of truth are way more common than Bad Mood Ring for this reason.

looting over 50x

Feltongue

Feltongue
Great Sword (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 48 to 52
Two-Hand Damage: 79 to 81
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 670
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
Adds 300% of Crushing Blow as Fire and Cold Spell Damage
4% Chance to cast level 20 Pagan Rites on Death Blow
+(5 to 7) to All Skills
20% Movement Speed
-(10 to 20)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(10 to 20)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(2000 to 4000) Defense
Maximum Fire Resist +1%
Maximum Cold Resist +1%
Socketed (6)

and still dont put my hand in

The Grandfather

The Grandfather
Great Sword (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (219 - 254) to (336 - 396)
Two-Hand Damage: (312 - 347) to (423 - 483)
Required Level: 120
Required Strength: 1340
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+400% Deadly Strike
-5% Deadly Strike per 1% Attack Speed
Adds (75 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
(150 to 300)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+200% Enhanced Damage
+(30 to 40) to Ancients' Hand
+50 to all Attributes
Maximum Life +(5 to 7)%
Requirements +100%
Socketed (6)