Malice Necro Guide Anyone?

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Just wondering if anybody is currently working on a guide for Malice Necro this patch? If not, I would be happy to take it on since it's my starting character.
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there's more than just 1 way to play a malice necro.

boneyard based , with dream eater as support skill

poison based

hybrid with minions for tanking
hybrid with reanimates for tanking

etc
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Hard to write a guide for a build nobody was playing before this morning. If anybody is going to, it's going to be a while.
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current early game reanimator hybrid setup

max boneyard , nightwalker , dream eater , embalming , death pact , death ward . no points in other trees . i'm considering the blood skeletons for their aura but they are not necessary yet. they will die like flees later on due to no minion dedicated gear , so i think i'll skip them

boneyard main attack , dream eater to heal . 2 buttons build

gear : using t2
Quov Tsin's Fall
Quov Tsin's Fall
Dirk (4)

One-Hand Damage: 2 to 3
Required Level: 4
Required Dexterity: 25
Item Level: 6
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+1 to Necromancer Skill Levels
15% Cast Speed
-4% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-4% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Fire Resist +(21 to 25)%
Poison Resist +(21 to 25)%
(3 to 4)% Reanimate as: Succubus
(3 to 4)% Reanimate as: Dark Magistrate
Socketed (1)
One-Hand Damage: 7 to 8
Required Level: 22
Required Dexterity: 48
Item Level: 25
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+2 to Necromancer Skill Levels
25% Cast Speed
-8% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-8% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Fire Resist +(31 to 35)%
Poison Resist +(31 to 35)%
(5 to 6)% Reanimate as: Succubus
(5 to 6)% Reanimate as: Dark Magistrate
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: 15 to 16
Required Level: 41
Required Dexterity: 104
Item Level: 45
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+3 to Necromancer Skill Levels
35% Cast Speed
-12% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-12% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Fire Resist +(41 to 45)%
Poison Resist +(41 to 45)%
(7 to 8)% Reanimate as: Succubus
(7 to 8)% Reanimate as: Dark Magistrate
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: 18 to 20
Required Level: 50
Required Dexterity: 212
Item Level: 79
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+(4 to 5) to Necromancer Skill Levels
40% Cast Speed
-15% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-15% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Fire Resist +(46 to 50)%
Poison Resist +(46 to 50)%
(9 to 10)% Reanimate as: Succubus
(9 to 10)% Reanimate as: Dark Magistrate
Socketed (2)
(will update to t3 a bit later - won't go for t4 due to requirements until later ) , honorific t4 armor mo'ed with 20% physical/magical spell, t3
The Allseeing Eye
The Allseeing Eye
Coronet (4)

Defense: 58 to 106
Required Level: 6
Required Dexterity: 17
Item Level: 9
+1 to All Skills
+10% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(4 to 5)% to Strength
+(31 to 50) Defense
+3 Mana after each Kill
Socketed (1)
Defense: 144 to 225
Required Level: 23
Required Dexterity: 36
Item Level: 27
+1 to All Skills
+15% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(8 to 9)% to Strength
+(71 to 90) Defense
+5 Mana after each Kill
Socketed (2)
Defense: 262 to 399
Required Level: 41
Required Dexterity: 85
Item Level: 48
+2 to All Skills
+20% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(12 to 13)% to Strength
+(111 to 130) Defense
+8 Mana after each Kill
Socketed (3)
Defense: 337 to 514
Required Level: 49
Required Dexterity: 183
Item Level: 82
+2 to All Skills
+25% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(14 to 15)% to Strength
+(131 to 150) Defense
+10 Mana after each Kill
Socketed (4)
(won't go for t4 due to requirements, maby just later on) , using t3
Moonwrap
Moonwrap
Sash (4)

Defense: (16 - 18) to (20 - 21)
Required Level: 1
Required Strength: 9
Item Level: 1
5% Cast Speed
+3% to Spell Damage
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
Cold Resist +(11 to 15)%
Lightning Resist +(11 to 15)%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (119 - 129) to (131 - 141)
Required Level: 17
Required Strength: 13
Item Level: 20
15% Cast Speed
+9% to Spell Damage
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
Cold Resist +(21 to 25)%
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (331 - 353) to (370 - 395)
Required Level: 35
Required Strength: 28
Item Level: 41
25% Cast Speed
+15% to Spell Damage
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
Cold Resist +(31 to 35)%
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (493 - 524) to (542 - 576)
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 58
Item Level: 72
30% Cast Speed
+20% to Spell Damage
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
Cold Resist +(36 to 40)%
Lightning Resist +(36 to 40)%
Socketed (2)
but i will switch to honorofic after i get enough gold , honorific t4 gloves mo'ed with 20% physical/magical spell , t2
Wake of Destruction
Wake of Destruction
Greaves (4)

Defense: (90 - 102) to (135 - 152)
Required Level: 9
Required Strength:
60
Item Level: 16
+(4 to 6)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(6 to 8)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(6 to 8)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(11 to 13)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(24 to 40)% Enhanced Defense
+(21 to 25) to Energy
Requirements -20%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (333 - 369) to (462 - 512)
Required Level: 27
Required Strength:
84
Item Level: 32
+(7 to 9)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(10 to 12)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(10 to 12)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(15 to 17)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(58 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(26 to 30) to Energy
Requirements -25%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (854 - 930) to (1152 - 1254)
Required Level: 44
Required Strength:
164
Item Level: 51
+(10 to 12)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(14 to 16)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(14 to 16)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(19 to 21)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(92 to 109)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 35) to Energy
Requirements -30%
Socketed (3)
Defense: (1274 - 1378) to (1713 - 1853)
Required Level: 52
Required Strength:
292
Item Level: 86
+(13 to 15)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(18 to 20)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(18 to 20)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(23 to 25)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(109 to 126)% Enhanced Defense
+(36 to 40) to Energy
Requirements -40%
Socketed (4)
(will update to t3 after i get my hands on some -%req jewels , won't update to t4 due to requirements) , t3
Darkflesh
Darkflesh
Unraveller Head (4)

Defense: (87 - 100) to (169 - 194)
Chance to Block: 2%
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 5
Required Dexterity: 24
Item Level: 9
+(16 to 25) Spell Focus
+1 to Necromancer Skill Levels
5% Cast Speed
5% Hit Recovery
+(6 to 10)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(12 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(7 to 10)%
Fire Resist +(7 to 10)%
(2 to 3)% Reanimate as: Sanguine Servant
Socketed (2)
Defense: (296 - 329) to (527 - 585)
Chance to Block: 2%
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 23
Required Dexterity: 35
Item Level: 27
+(36 to 45) Spell Focus
+2 to Necromancer Skill Levels
15% Cast Speed
15% Hit Recovery
+(16 to 20)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(47 to 63)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(15 to 18)%
Fire Resist +(15 to 18)%
(5 to 6)% Reanimate as: Sanguine Servant
Socketed (2)
Defense: (758 - 825) to (1299 - 1414)
Chance to Block: 2%
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 40
Required Dexterity: 74
Item Level: 47
+(56 to 65) Spell Focus
+3 to Necromancer Skill Levels
25% Cast Speed
25% Hit Recovery
+(26 to 30)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(81 to 97)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(23 to 26)%
Fire Resist +(23 to 26)%
(8 to 9)% Reanimate as: Sanguine Servant
Socketed (3)
Defense: (1126 - 1217) to (1928 - 2084)
Chance to Block: 2%
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 49
Required Dexterity: 153
Item Level: 82
+(66 to 75) Spell Focus
+4 to Necromancer Skill Levels
30% Cast Speed
30% Hit Recovery
+(36 to 40)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(98 to 114)% Enhanced Defense
Lightning Resist +(27 to 30)%
Fire Resist +(27 to 30)%
(9 to 10)% Reanimate as: Sanguine Servant
Socketed (4)
(will update to t4 after i get my hands on some -%req jewels) .
Felblood
Felblood
Amulet

Required Level: 10
Item Level: 1
Totems Inherit Iron Golem's Regeneration
+(1 to 2) to Necromancer Skill Levels
5% Life stolen per Hit
+4 to Life (Based on Character Level)
3% Reanimate as: Molting Torment
and 2 rare rings . socketed p.gems for smaxing resists

works great . nice damage , nice regen , a screen full of fat reanimates for tanking


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Im going to start a WIP guide on this... I basically went the same route you did except for no reainmates. Just went for pure phys damage. Honestly it works great. Had ZERO problems so far and just stepped into Hell mode.

I will add different playstyles... I still want to test a mainly poison spec. I think the Malice Set will be the key to phys/psn hybrid.

I wasnt a fan of dream eater at first but now with no cooldown (happens at clvl 90), I'm really enjoying it.
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I can't say I have had zero problems but through dot-run with the skill and staying back it is a lot easier. Definitely a play style to learn, also knowing which situations you can face-tank and which you need to kite is important.

My gear from 1-to hell (level 100 writing this) was close to what was listed.
Fateweaver TU4
DarkFlesh TU4
The Allseeing Eye TU3 (Dex Requirement)
Wake of Destruction TU2 (Str Requirement)
Honorific Leather Gloves, Sash, Quilted Robe (TU1) with the following in order: Phys/Mag spell damage, Resists, Hit Recovery, Energy, Uninterruptible attack.
Rare Ring/Ammy with random stats, haven't even found +1 skills on ammy yet so still very fresh.

Enough stats for gear at those levels, rest into Energy.

skills : Max Embalming, Death Pact, Death Ward, Boneyard, Nightwalker, Dream Eater.

With Class Charm and Sunstone sitting at ~7.25k dream eater and 8.3k boneyard.

I like Dream Eater now that it is maxed. And because I like it, I believe it will be nerfed. The Patch Notes says a diminishing cooldown, where as it is a flat -.24 per base level at the moment. That will get fixed and I bet it will be on a cooldown so it can't be spammed. If not, and the patch notes are fixed to reflect it, good.

Dream Eater is still strange at times, because it sends out missles it can miss mobs, especially ones next to walls. The Terror debuff doesn't always connect and some mobs will maintain velocity.

Switching out Fateweaver for Quov's Dirk can also be a good choice leveling since the reanimates will keep mobs busy.

I'll add any input also, I am enjoying the build. It definitely is not as smooth as summoner or melee to start in my experience, but at 90 it starts to gain some momentum.
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dont understand why everyone keeps picking tu greaves when you can make an honorific and do much better, since the energy factor bonus is useless til you get into the 115-120 ranges and can start focusing on scaling.

put +50 strength, +50 dex, +20 phys/magic honorific t1 boots.
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because a t2 greaves requires level 27 and already has 17% physical/magical damage and around 30 energy . a honorific with such stats is much higher level req. also , to use so many honorifics so early requires tons of gold to be able to mo them all , which you don't got . you can barely MO 2 or 3 honorifics in a decent pace along the other non-honorifics . a 4th honorific will be mo'able around Hell , when it's kinda late and you look for better options , so it would be a bad investment (unless you twink)

to add on this , if mo'ing a t2 ot t3 greaves with other 10% physical/magical spell damage you get more damage compared to honorifics .

it is not about the energy factor boost

also , why would one use t1 honorifics lol ? having more sockets is overrated in Sigma 1.4 ? t4 leather honorifics require just around 60-80 str
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ChuckNoRis wrote:because a t2 greaves requires level 27 and already has 17% physical/magical damage and around 30 energy . a honorific with such stats is much higher level req. also , to use so many honorifics so early requires tons of gold to be able to mo them all , which you don't got . you can barely MO 2 or 3 honorifics in a decent pace along the other non-honorifics . a 4th honorific will be mo'able around Hell , when it's kinda late and you look for better options , so it would be a bad investment (unless you twink)

to add on this , if mo'ing a t2 ot t3 greaves with other 10% physical/magical spell damage you get more damage compared to honorifics .

it is not about the energy factor boost

also , why would one use t1 honorifics lol ? having more sockets is overrated in Sigma 1.4 ? t4 leather honorifics require just around 60-80 str


god forbid someone gives knowledge without chuck trying to prove he's right.

honorific because everyone keeps saying "I dont want to uptier the rest of my gear, not enough stats".

genius move. veryone listen to chuck. he browsed the tu list
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With zero cooldown on Dream Eater, I'm actually finding myself spamming that as my AoE skill... Its a smaller AoE obviously, but far from unusable. It doesn't clear that much slower than Boneyard, and you get the heals too. Am I the only one?

Boneyard definitely does have its uses though, in very dense areas and when you are "blind" casting at enemies ahead.