I'm running cold sorc, just started in hell - at level 106 now.
I went fire as the 2nd tree for the regen passive. Flamefront at 1pt atm, but I notice it does ok damage in early hell, even at 1pt. So I'm trying to work out where all teh points should go when I can use them (I don't have the mana / regen for more than a few points in Frigid Sphere atm). I'm thinking along the lines of the build below (blue means "optional"). If anyone has any better ideas, please shout...
COLD TREE
smax Frigid Sphere (say, 24); 1 STF, 15 Snow Queen, 1 Abyss, 8 Ice Elementals
Total 49
FIRE TREE
smax Flamefront (say, 24); 23 Living Flame
2 prereqs to get to Firedance for occasional 20% spell damage boost
Total 47 (50 if Firedance taken)
REWARD TREE
5 Symbol of Esu; 1 Force Blast; 1 Twilight Havoc (this never seems to do anything much?)
1 Witch Blood [or more???? Maybe max, for the LAEK?]
Total 8 (approx 11 if Witch Blood maxed)
ARCANE TREE
1 prereq & 1 Familiar (OR add points in groups of 4 for more familiars)
1 in others for antimass / Mana Sweep? = 3
Total 2 (5 if antimass /mana sweep)
OVERALL 106 points minimum - other points depends on which options chosen
By level 110 (rougly 121 skill points available) could have the base spec plus 3 familiars with 4 in Witch Blood, leaving out the antimass stuff.
Other basic questions:
1. Is there a better idea than fire for 2nd tree? Or just have it for the passive because...
2. Is flamefront really needed? Cold is a bit slow to kill cold absorbs now but it may get better later with some pierce.
3. If not, maybe it's worth spending 10 points to remove the cooldown from Firedance?
Hoping for some feedback.
1.4 cold sorc skills (2nd tree fire?)
https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=SorFanta
My Sor. Sur Rune for weapon, MO regen mana for ring and amulet, 5% to Energy for socket, no worry about mana.
I use Thunderstone for Creep cold absorbs.
I think Light/cold better.
My Sor. Sur Rune for weapon, MO regen mana for ring and amulet, 5% to Energy for socket, no worry about mana.
I use Thunderstone for Creep cold absorbs.
I think Light/cold better.
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First you got to decide what and how exactly you want to play , and then take action based on your decision.
If you want more summons for tanking while you get to be the main damage dealer , you may also use the blade spirits .
With all those summons out , a timerless Firedance is mandatory as it also boost the minions in the area , if you go for the fire tree
If you don't need so much minion meatshield , you can think of other trees too.
If you want a tanky caster and just a few minions , then go for lightning.
If you want to use cold tree just as support , the mana and poison trees are also valid
It all depends on how you want to play as there are many valid combos that overall have similar results.
I started a melee 2h sword cold build based on winter avatar main attack and minions for tanking just for the fun. So it's more of a melee caster . Unholly sorc
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If you want more summons for tanking while you get to be the main damage dealer , you may also use the blade spirits .
With all those summons out , a timerless Firedance is mandatory as it also boost the minions in the area , if you go for the fire tree
If you don't need so much minion meatshield , you can think of other trees too.
If you want a tanky caster and just a few minions , then go for lightning.
If you want to use cold tree just as support , the mana and poison trees are also valid
It all depends on how you want to play as there are many valid combos that overall have similar results.
I started a melee 2h sword cold build based on winter avatar main attack and minions for tanking just for the fun. So it's more of a melee caster . Unholly sorc
)
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yes it works , it's the second time i play her. i've first took her for a spin in 1.2 . no rocket science , get the summons out , buff with nova charge or hive , depending what other tree you pick besides cold , winter avatar main attack
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Winter Avatar would be considered a spell that triggers on attack right? Wondering if Witchblood might be better than Baneblade damage-wise. I see the huge loss in defense though.
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you may forget about on attack procs in early-mid game when using
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baneblade is a must , the extra defense is mandatory + the LoA is also welcomed . you can't get head-first into fights wigh crap defence. not in Hell at least
Addertongue
. Winter Avatar has a small timer (0.8 sec) , so it can not be spammed . i've been crying about it since many months ago , but there was no action taken . however , if you can get your hands on a Addertongue
Bastard Sword (4)
One-Hand Damage: 7 to 9
Two-Hand Damage: 11 to 12
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 73
Item Level: 19
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+1 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(11 to 15)% to Cold Spell Damage
-3% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(1 to 2) to Winter Avatar
(3 to 5)% to Strength
(3 to 5)% to Energy
(3 to 5)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: 16 to 18
Two-Hand Damage: 26 to 27
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 110
Item Level: 36
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+2 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(16 to 20)% to Cold Spell Damage
-6% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(3 to 5) to Winter Avatar
(9 to 11)% to Strength
(9 to 11)% to Energy
(9 to 11)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
One-Hand Damage: 26 to 31
Two-Hand Damage: 46 to 49
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 216
Item Level: 59
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+3 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(21 to 25)% to Cold Spell Damage
-9% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(6 to 7) to Winter Avatar
(15 to 17)% to Strength
(15 to 17)% to Energy
(15 to 17)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
One-Hand Damage: 31 to 37
Two-Hand Damage: 56 to 59
Required Level: 52
Required Strength: 427
Item Level: 85
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(26 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-12% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(9 to 10) to Winter Avatar
(18 to 20)% to Strength
(18 to 20)% to Energy
(18 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Bastard Sword (4)
One-Hand Damage: 7 to 9
Two-Hand Damage: 11 to 12
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 73
Item Level: 19
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+1 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(11 to 15)% to Cold Spell Damage
-3% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(1 to 2) to Winter Avatar
(3 to 5)% to Strength
(3 to 5)% to Energy
(3 to 5)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: 16 to 18
Two-Hand Damage: 26 to 27
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 110
Item Level: 36
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+2 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(16 to 20)% to Cold Spell Damage
-6% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(3 to 5) to Winter Avatar
(9 to 11)% to Strength
(9 to 11)% to Energy
(9 to 11)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
One-Hand Damage: 26 to 31
Two-Hand Damage: 46 to 49
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 216
Item Level: 59
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+3 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(21 to 25)% to Cold Spell Damage
-9% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(6 to 7) to Winter Avatar
(15 to 17)% to Strength
(15 to 17)% to Energy
(15 to 17)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
One-Hand Damage: 31 to 37
Two-Hand Damage: 56 to 59
Required Level: 52
Required Strength: 427
Item Level: 85
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
+(26 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-12% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(9 to 10) to Winter Avatar
(18 to 20)% to Strength
(18 to 20)% to Energy
(18 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Sash of the Frozen Seas
as soon as possible , it can get you where you want to go , along Sash of the Frozen Seas
Sash (Sacred)
Defense: (2036 - 2329) to (2064 - 2362)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 500
Item Level: 105
-75% Mana Drain in Werewolf Form
30% Attack Speed
Winter Avatar Cooldown Reduced by 0.4 seconds
+(501 to 1000) to Attack Rating
-(6 to 15)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(101 to 130)% Enhanced Defense
+(51 to 250) to Mana
+100 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (2)
Sash (Sacred)
Defense: (2036 - 2329) to (2064 - 2362)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 500
Item Level: 105
-75% Mana Drain in Werewolf Form
30% Attack Speed
Winter Avatar Cooldown Reduced by 0.4 seconds
+(501 to 1000) to Attack Rating
-(6 to 15)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(101 to 130)% Enhanced Defense
+(51 to 250) to Mana
+100 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (2)
Frostneedle
and Frostneedle
Kriss (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 39 to 40
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 454
Item Level: 105
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
2% Chance to cast level 19 Glacial Nova on Death Blow
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+(25 to 40)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(15 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(20 to 25) to Winter Avatar
Maximum Cold Resist +(1 to 2)%
50% Bonus to Defense
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (3)
Kriss (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 39 to 40
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 454
Item Level: 105
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
2% Chance to cast level 19 Glacial Nova on Death Blow
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+(25 to 40)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(15 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(20 to 25) to Winter Avatar
Maximum Cold Resist +(1 to 2)%
50% Bonus to Defense
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (3)
Shiverhood
Shiverhood
Full Helm (Sacred)
Defense: (3596 - 4141) to (4218 - 4803)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 300
Item Level: 105
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+(20 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(15 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(15 to 20) to Winter Avatar
+(25 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+(600 to 1000) Defense
Maximum Mana +(10 to 20)%
+100 Life on Melee Attack
Requirements -50%
Socketed (4)
Full Helm (Sacred)
Defense: (3596 - 4141) to (4218 - 4803)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 300
Item Level: 105
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+(20 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(15 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(15 to 20) to Winter Avatar
+(25 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+(600 to 1000) Defense
Maximum Mana +(10 to 20)%
+100 Life on Melee Attack
Requirements -50%
Socketed (4)
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Icetomb
, Icetomb
Field Plate (Sacred)
Defense: (5937 - 7017) to (7053 - 8335)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 105
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+50 Spell Focus
+(20 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(20 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 40) to all Attributes
(11 to 15)% to Strength
Maximum Fire Resist -1%
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (6)
Field Plate (Sacred)
Defense: (5937 - 7017) to (7053 - 8335)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 105
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+50 Spell Focus
+(20 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(20 to 25)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 40) to all Attributes
(11 to 15)% to Strength
Maximum Fire Resist -1%
Cannot Be Frozen
Socketed (6)
Vaetia's Wall
and Vaetia's Wall
Tower Shield (Sacred)
Defense: (4603 - 5157) to (5543 - 6210)
Chance to Block: -1% + Class%
(Sorceress Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 460
Required Dexterity: 471
Item Level: 105
-1% Base Block Chance
-(11 to 15)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(4 to 8) to Vengeful Power (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Warp Armor (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Snow Queen (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Living Flame (Sorceress Only)
+(141 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
Maximum Mana +(11 to 25)%
Maximum Elemental Resists +(0 to 1)%
Requirements -20%
Socketed (4)
Tower Shield (Sacred)
Defense: (4603 - 5157) to (5543 - 6210)
Chance to Block: -1% + Class%
(Sorceress Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 460
Required Dexterity: 471
Item Level: 105
-1% Base Block Chance
-(11 to 15)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(4 to 8) to Vengeful Power (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Warp Armor (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Snow Queen (Sorceress Only)
+(4 to 8) to Living Flame (Sorceress Only)
+(141 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
Maximum Mana +(11 to 25)%
Maximum Elemental Resists +(0 to 1)%
Requirements -20%
Socketed (4)
Stareye's Claws
Henchmen Trophies
(Legendary Set)
. Stareye's Claws
Gauntlets (Sacred)
Defense: 1674 to 1959
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
Adds 100-150 Cold Damage
+25% to Cold Spell Damage
-15% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+200% Enhanced Defense
+50 to Dexterity
15% to Dexterity
Maximum Cold Resist +2%
+5 Cold Absorb
Socketed (4)
Gauntlets (Sacred)
Defense: 1674 to 1959
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
Adds 100-150 Cold Damage
+25% to Cold Spell Damage
-15% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+200% Enhanced Defense
+50 to Dexterity
15% to Dexterity
Maximum Cold Resist +2%
+5 Cold Absorb
Socketed (4)
Henchmen Trophies
(Legendary Set)
Steppe Sleeper
Tundra Walker
(Barbarian Windcarver Set)
are also a decent choice if you want to keep the STR investment minimalSteppe Sleeper
Boots (Sacred)
Defense: (1302 - 1627) to (1342 - 1677)
Required Level: 80
Item Level: 1
+1 to Barbarian Skill Levels
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(100 to 150)% Enhanced Defense
30% to Strength
Requirements -100%
Socketed (4)
Boots (Sacred)
Defense: (1302 - 1627) to (1342 - 1677)
Required Level: 80
Item Level: 1
+1 to Barbarian Skill Levels
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(100 to 150)% Enhanced Defense
30% to Strength
Requirements -100%
Socketed (4)
Tundra Walker
(Barbarian Windcarver Set)
baneblade is a must , the extra defense is mandatory + the LoA is also welcomed . you can't get head-first into fights wigh crap defence. not in Hell at least
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I'm thinking though that sorc just doesn't have any spell damage boosts for Winter Avatar. Would it make more sense to build around holy/unholy pal for the spell damage? Aside from pal and dudu, nobody else has any innate spell damage boosts.
Sorry this should probably be a separate thread lol, I just like the winter Avatar idea. Dual wield addertongues with the new supper buffed blood hatred!?
Sorry this should probably be a separate thread lol, I just like the winter Avatar idea. Dual wield addertongues with the new supper buffed blood hatred!?
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I have also played with it as paladin and barbarian in previous patches , the paladin was better
Some older info here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=124&p=358511&hilit=Winter+avatar#p358511
The blood hatred is still crappy . I would not put my money on it for the moment. For example 28 hard points provide just -24% enemy resist. I would rather invest those points in other places. There is no hype about it
The sorceress can make up for the lower damage boost with the buffs such as hive or nova charge. if you pick the poison there is also the damage boost when struck via vengeful power. It is good enough up until 125 Ubers where it starts to be not that efficient.
Still , it is fun to play around with the Winter avatar.
I will continue streaming the winter avatar sorceress after I will put the malice necro to rest in a few days
Some older info here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=124&p=358511&hilit=Winter+avatar#p358511
The blood hatred is still crappy . I would not put my money on it for the moment. For example 28 hard points provide just -24% enemy resist. I would rather invest those points in other places. There is no hype about it
The sorceress can make up for the lower damage boost with the buffs such as hive or nova charge. if you pick the poison there is also the damage boost when struck via vengeful power. It is good enough up until 125 Ubers where it starts to be not that efficient.
Still , it is fun to play around with the Winter avatar.
I will continue streaming the winter avatar sorceress after I will put the malice necro to rest in a few days