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Feedback on Hammertime:

What it is:
It's quite a fun skill that throws lots of hammers into the direction of opponents, just like the trap rat skill, but with more damage. It can only be found on
The Flying Anvil
The Flying Anvil
Great Maul (4)

Two-Hand Damage: (12 - 14) to (17 - 38)
Required Level: 11
Required Strength: 117
Item Level: 17
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(24 to 43)% Enhanced Damage
+(1 to 20) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+1 to Hammertime
+(16 to 25) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(11 to 15)%
Total Character Defense (11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Two-Hand Damage: (37 - 42) to (68 - 93)
Required Level: 29
Required Strength: 168
Item Level: 32
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(64 to 83)% Enhanced Damage
+(21 to 40) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(4 to 8) to Hammertime
+(36 to 45) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(16 to 20)%
Total Character Defense (21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Two-Hand Damage: (93 - 102) to (153 - 193)
Required Level: 48
Required Strength: 326
Item Level: 53
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(104 to 123)% Enhanced Damage
+(31 to 60) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(10 to 14) to Hammertime
+(56 to 65) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(21 to 25)%
Total Character Defense (31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Two-Hand Damage: (109 - 119) to (209 - 262)
Required Level: 55
Required Strength: 640
Item Level: 87
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(124 to 143)% Enhanced Damage
+(41 to 80) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(15 to 20) to Hammertime
+(66 to 75) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(26 to 30)%
Total Character Defense (36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)
. The skill itself costs 50 mana to use +10 mana per level. The duration is also increased per level, which means you throw more hammers the higher the level of the skill.

Why my opinion should matter:
I tried making this into a build. First I began with necro, because necro can reach the lowest frames of attack speed easily. Necro had lots of ll and + %HP, which gave him the ability to survive quite well. I respecced several times to find the best possible build and got stuck in the end with: maxed embalming, death ward, Famine, Blood skeletons, resurgence and Rathmas Chosen.
However, no matter how much I tried, I always lacked either damage or defense. Even with the charms up to level 110 in my inventory, I still only had about 80 k defense which was simply too little to continue further.
As for gear, I focused on ias on my armor in order to reach the goal of 232 ias. Later on I switched weak gear options for jewels with ll and ias. But it was still not enough.

Then I tried a barbarian with this skill. While I reached the desired defense of over 430 k, Barb had a whole lot of other issues. I used Wolves + the passive for wolves, Wolf stance, Mountain King and Runemaster. Again I tried around some, but sadly my barb got stuck, too, despite being able to focus the gear not on attack speed only.

The problems:
During my playtime, even though I enjoyed it, I found out that the skill has too many restrictions to be useful later on.
First of all you have the high mana cost. 270 per swing makes you want to get mana leech on your weapon asap.
But you lack lifegain, so you also need lots of life leech on your gear.
You also have to focus at least a little bit on dexterity in order to gain back mana and life, since 20 k AR are simply not enough from level 110 on to hit bosses consistently to get enough mana back to attack consistently.
Then you also need lots of attack speed because the weapon needs a lot to get to a low frame count.
And of course, you want to deal enough damage since you are restricted to only this single weapon.
And worst of all: Most of these stats can only be obtained on the weapon apart from AR (skills not included).

To sum it up: The issue is that you need too many stats on your weapon via mystic orbs, which you can't get all until later in the game.

And the second problem is that there is no endgame option. You can't craft, get a set or a Su and you can't get a runeword. The skill hammertime simply doesn't exist elsewhere, which is sad to see, since it's really fun to use.

For reference: I always used 25% mana reg on each piece of jewelery, and 25% mana leech on the weapon, else this build is simply unplayable. And I always had at least 20 k AR. With barb I reached 8 frames per attack and with necro 7, which was really okay in terms of attack speed for kiting.

The solution:
I think there are some things you can do to improve that build.
First of all, you could make the item always spawn with 200 ED. That way you don't need to put 5 mystic orbs on the weapon to get enough DPS. That also frees up more space to get ml, ll, or even %AR. That would be really helpful to improve that build.

Then you could also reduce the mana cost. I mean, sure, it's possible to build for the mana cost. But when you consider that you also want to get attack speed and that you lack a midgame/endgame option, the mana cost just makes it harder to make the build successful, since you have to focus on too many stats and still lack enough mana against basically every boss. Even against mini bosses like the smith, Radament and so on.

As for the necromancer: I shredded the build because in order to make it successful, I'd have to focus also on minion gear in order to keep up the skeletons.

I will try a bit more to see if I can go on with eagle stance instead of wolf stance on my barb, but I think the damage is too low to do that. I could also change some of the defense runes to ELD runes so I can free up more sockets in my weapon for jewels or more damage. Or I could get a wormtongue instead of my deadfall for more ll. There are still a few things I can test out to see what works best. But even then, I think the lack of mid/endgame weapon will block me from reaching 120 or even 125.

Well, that's it.
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What was the range of those hammers ? Full screen reaching or no ? Thank you.
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Anonymous: wrote:What was the range of those hammers ? Full screen reaching or no ? Thank you.


Yes that's how far the hammers can fly. But the skill only target enemies in range of about 1/3rd of the screen. It's pretty hard aiming at sorcerer skeletons in Kurast3000 since they run away when you are in range and there are not that many corners you can make them walk to. Basically that range is wasted on that skill unless it luckily hits an enemy that was way behind an enemy that just died.
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Any chance you could re-enable the cube recipe to convert 3 regular rejuvenation potions into a full one again?
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ParticuLarry wrote:Feedback on Hammertime:

What it is:
It's quite a fun skill that throws lots of hammers into the direction of opponents, just like the trap rat skill, but with more damage. It can only be found on
The Flying Anvil
The Flying Anvil
Great Maul (4)

Two-Hand Damage: (12 - 14) to (17 - 38)
Required Level: 11
Required Strength: 117
Item Level: 17
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(24 to 43)% Enhanced Damage
+(1 to 20) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+1 to Hammertime
+(16 to 25) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(11 to 15)%
Total Character Defense (11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Two-Hand Damage: (37 - 42) to (68 - 93)
Required Level: 29
Required Strength: 168
Item Level: 32
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(64 to 83)% Enhanced Damage
+(21 to 40) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(4 to 8) to Hammertime
+(36 to 45) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(16 to 20)%
Total Character Defense (21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Two-Hand Damage: (93 - 102) to (153 - 193)
Required Level: 48
Required Strength: 326
Item Level: 53
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(104 to 123)% Enhanced Damage
+(31 to 60) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(10 to 14) to Hammertime
+(56 to 65) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(21 to 25)%
Total Character Defense (31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Two-Hand Damage: (109 - 119) to (209 - 262)
Required Level: 55
Required Strength: 640
Item Level: 87
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+(124 to 143)% Enhanced Damage
+(41 to 80) to Maximum Damage
+50% Damage to Undead
+(15 to 20) to Hammertime
+(66 to 75) to Strength
Elemental Resists +(26 to 30)%
Total Character Defense (36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)
. The skill itself costs 50 mana to use +10 mana per level. The duration is also increased per level, which means you throw more hammers the higher the level of the skill.

Why my opinion should matter:
I tried making this into a build. First I began with necro, because necro can reach the lowest frames of attack speed easily. Necro had lots of ll and + %HP, which gave him the ability to survive quite well. I respecced several times to find the best possible build and got stuck in the end with: maxed embalming, death ward, Famine, Blood skeletons, resurgence and Rathmas Chosen.
However, no matter how much I tried, I always lacked either damage or defense. Even with the charms up to level 110 in my inventory, I still only had about 80 k defense which was simply too little to continue further.
As for gear, I focused on ias on my armor in order to reach the goal of 232 ias. Later on I switched weak gear options for jewels with ll and ias. But it was still not enough.

Then I tried a barbarian with this skill. While I reached the desired defense of over 430 k, Barb had a whole lot of other issues. I used Wolves + the passive for wolves, Wolf stance, Mountain King and Runemaster. Again I tried around some, but sadly my barb got stuck, too, despite being able to focus the gear not on attack speed only.

The problems:
During my playtime, even though I enjoyed it, I found out that the skill has too many restrictions to be useful later on.
First of all you have the high mana cost. 270 per swing makes you want to get mana leech on your weapon asap.
But you lack lifegain, so you also need lots of life leech on your gear.
You also have to focus at least a little bit on dexterity in order to gain back mana and life, since 20 k AR are simply not enough from level 110 on to hit bosses consistently to get enough mana back to attack consistently.
Then you also need lots of attack speed because the weapon needs a lot to get to a low frame count.
And of course, you want to deal enough damage since you are restricted to only this single weapon.
And worst of all: Most of these stats can only be obtained on the weapon apart from AR (skills not included).

To sum it up: The issue is that you need too many stats on your weapon via mystic orbs, which you can't get all until later in the game.

And the second problem is that there is no endgame option. You can't craft, get a set or a Su and you can't get a runeword. The skill hammertime simply doesn't exist elsewhere, which is sad to see, since it's really fun to use.

For reference: I always used 25% mana reg on each piece of jewelery, and 25% mana leech on the weapon, else this build is simply unplayable. And I always had at least 20 k AR. With barb I reached 8 frames per attack and with necro 7, which was really okay in terms of attack speed for kiting.

The solution:
I think there are some things you can do to improve that build.
First of all, you could make the item always spawn with 200 ED. That way you don't need to put 5 mystic orbs on the weapon to get enough DPS. That also frees up more space to get ml, ll, or even %AR. That would be really helpful to improve that build.

Then you could also reduce the mana cost. I mean, sure, it's possible to build for the mana cost. But when you consider that you also want to get attack speed and that you lack a midgame/endgame option, the mana cost just makes it harder to make the build successful, since you have to focus on too many stats and still lack enough mana against basically every boss. Even against mini bosses like the smith, Radament and so on.

As for the necromancer: I shredded the build because in order to make it successful, I'd have to focus also on minion gear in order to keep up the skeletons.

I will try a bit more to see if I can go on with eagle stance instead of wolf stance on my barb, but I think the damage is too low to do that. I could also change some of the defense runes to ELD runes so I can free up more sockets in my weapon for jewels or more damage. Or I could get a wormtongue instead of my deadfall for more ll. There are still a few things I can test out to see what works best. But even then, I think the lack of mid/endgame weapon will block me from reaching 120 or even 125.

Well, that's it.


why not using Ber crafted jewels? you can get around 60℅ to both mana and life leech if using full ber crafted jewels in your sockets. they could solve your AR issues too...
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Diaco wrote:why not using Ber crafted jewels? you can get around 60℅ to both mana and life leech if using full ber crafted jewels in your sockets. they could solve your AR issues too...


Well, that would defeat the purpose of Runemaster. Without runemaster you don't have enough defense to stay alive and since the life is (still) low, you get locked in hit recovery animation very often, which results in being unable to attack which means the leech won't do much good.

Runemaster is basically the last lifeline. You can't use dominators stance because you can't use a shield. And bear stance locks out hammertime because it's a ranged attack. So runemaster is basically the only option to go for (aside from the dodge passive).

I'm planning to split it though. I don't have Nephilim yet, so I could use 5 jewels for that and I'd get some well needed physical resist as well as a good base defense.

I'm currently playing a sin build though, which is more fun to play. So the hammertime barb is currently put on hold. But I'll definitely continue trying it out.

Thank you for your thoughts nevertheless.
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Arcane hunger is not working on Tiered unique items , would be nice to specify that since I spend so much tg on this item and now is fked , useless life leech ....
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New Malice Necro skill Dream Eater is not synergizing with the Death Pact bonus for points in the Malice tree to give spell damage.

maxing Dream Eater gave 0% spell damage, where pts in Boneyard added what seems to be 2.25% per point because every 4th point would add 3% spell damage synergy.

Is Dream Eater not considered a Malice spell in this synergy or is it broken? Quick response would be great.
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Hey for next patch, can we not have the Rend Druid just swing wherever there are monsters in a crowd? I'd like to be able to control the direction of the Rend, not it just flail around.