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aerial wrote:Warmonger is definitely worth it, it has amazing stats, 10% dodge is great (stacks with immortal).
Then you are free to use whatever weapon.
There are other nice aoe procs, such as qarak's will spikenova for example.
Also depends what you want to do, poiosn or other stances.
Poison is imo most effective with this setup. You move/heal with whirlwind, and procs spread poison, they only need to really land 1x, so you are fine if whirlwind doesn't proc crazy amount, since it isn't needed.
If you go for normal non-psn damage, you will want ton of procs becase they all stack and contibute to dps, and then it becomes problematic, it is hard to trigger enough things, even if you really look for evey possible proc item (like akarats trek boots and so on).

Actually, I'm memeing around with
Vizjerei Fury
Vizjerei Fury
Short Spear (Sacred)

Throw Damage: 69 to 80
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 50
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity:
1386
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
Ignore Target's Defense
-33% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-33% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-33% to Enemy Cold Resistance
(20 to 25)% to Dexterity
(20 to 25)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Physical Resist 10%
+(60 to 100) Life after each Kill
Requirements +200%
Socketed (3)
.
Even with shitty gears and ~100 pierce, I'm clearing Fauzt quite decently so far.
Feels like I'm playing coc build from POE :-]
I'm considering
Indigo
Indigo
Circlets

'UnTaha'
Runeword Level: 110
+2 to All Skills
+100 Spell Focus
50% Cast Speed
-(15 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
-500 Defense
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Elemental Resists +(13 to 15)%
Requirements -100%
or
Unveiling Eye
Unveiling Eye
Circlet (Sacred)

Defense: 505 to 571
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 262
Item Level: 130
Hidden Reliquary
(Bonus per Hidden Crafts)
+25 Spell Focus
+20% to Elemental Spell Damage
+1 to All Skills
-(21 to 30)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
50% Magic Find
Socketed (4)
to boost spell dmg/pierce.
So I should drop them to get Area attacks.
If Area effect makes big difference to proc, I have to use that I guess.
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matdoo wrote:
aerial wrote:Warmonger is definitely worth it, it has amazing stats, 10% dodge is great (stacks with immortal).
Then you are free to use whatever weapon.
There are other nice aoe procs, such as qarak's will spikenova for example.
Also depends what you want to do, poiosn or other stances.
Poison is imo most effective with this setup. You move/heal with whirlwind, and procs spread poison, they only need to really land 1x, so you are fine if whirlwind doesn't proc crazy amount, since it isn't needed.
If you go for normal non-psn damage, you will want ton of procs becase they all stack and contibute to dps, and then it becomes problematic, it is hard to trigger enough things, even if you really look for evey possible proc item (like akarats trek boots and so on).

Actually, I'm memeing around with
Vizjerei Fury
Vizjerei Fury
Short Spear (Sacred)

Throw Damage: 69 to 80
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 50
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity:
1386
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
Ignore Target's Defense
-33% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-33% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-33% to Enemy Cold Resistance
(20 to 25)% to Dexterity
(20 to 25)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Physical Resist 10%
+(60 to 100) Life after each Kill
Requirements +200%
Socketed (3)
.
Even with shitty gears and ~100 pierce, I'm clearing Fauzt quite decently so far.
Feels like I'm playing coc build from POE :-]
I'm considering
Indigo
Indigo
Circlets

'UnTaha'
Runeword Level: 110
+2 to All Skills
+100 Spell Focus
50% Cast Speed
-(15 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
-500 Defense
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Elemental Resists +(13 to 15)%
Requirements -100%
or
Unveiling Eye
Unveiling Eye
Circlet (Sacred)

Defense: 505 to 571
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 262
Item Level: 130
Hidden Reliquary
(Bonus per Hidden Crafts)
+25 Spell Focus
+20% to Elemental Spell Damage
+1 to All Skills
-(21 to 30)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
50% Magic Find
Socketed (4)
to boost spell dmg/pierce.
So I should drop them to get Area attacks.
If Area effect makes big difference to proc, I have to use that I guess.


have you tried kraken stance? I wonder how it fits vizjerei fury.
Prefix +(15 to 25) to Kraken Stance
Elemental Weapons
Suffix +(18 to 29) to Kraken Stance
Barbarian Helms
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boozek wrote:
matdoo wrote:
aerial wrote:Warmonger is definitely worth it, it has amazing stats, 10% dodge is great (stacks with immortal).
Then you are free to use whatever weapon.
There are other nice aoe procs, such as qarak's will spikenova for example.
Also depends what you want to do, poiosn or other stances.
Poison is imo most effective with this setup. You move/heal with whirlwind, and procs spread poison, they only need to really land 1x, so you are fine if whirlwind doesn't proc crazy amount, since it isn't needed.
If you go for normal non-psn damage, you will want ton of procs becase they all stack and contibute to dps, and then it becomes problematic, it is hard to trigger enough things, even if you really look for evey possible proc item (like akarats trek boots and so on).

Actually, I'm memeing around with
Vizjerei Fury
Vizjerei Fury
Short Spear (Sacred)

Throw Damage: 69 to 80
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 50
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity:
1386
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
Ignore Target's Defense
-33% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-33% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-33% to Enemy Cold Resistance
(20 to 25)% to Dexterity
(20 to 25)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Physical Resist 10%
+(60 to 100) Life after each Kill
Requirements +200%
Socketed (3)
.
Even with shitty gears and ~100 pierce, I'm clearing Fauzt quite decently so far.
Feels like I'm playing coc build from POE :-]
I'm considering
Indigo
Indigo
Circlets

'UnTaha'
Runeword Level: 110
+2 to All Skills
+100 Spell Focus
50% Cast Speed
-(15 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
-500 Defense
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Elemental Resists +(13 to 15)%
Requirements -100%
or
Unveiling Eye
Unveiling Eye
Circlet (Sacred)

Defense: 505 to 571
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 262
Item Level: 130
Hidden Reliquary
(Bonus per Hidden Crafts)
+25 Spell Focus
+20% to Elemental Spell Damage
+1 to All Skills
-(21 to 30)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
50% Magic Find
Socketed (4)
to boost spell dmg/pierce.
So I should drop them to get Area attacks.
If Area effect makes big difference to proc, I have to use that I guess.


have you tried kraken stance? I wonder how it fits vizjerei fury.
Prefix +(15 to 25) to Kraken Stance
Elemental Weapons
Suffix +(18 to 29) to Kraken Stance
Barbarian Helms

Doesn't Kraken only work for attacks?
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matdoo wrote:
boozek wrote:
matdoo wrote:
aerial wrote:Warmonger is definitely worth it, it has amazing stats, 10% dodge is great (stacks with immortal).
Then you are free to use whatever weapon.
There are other nice aoe procs, such as qarak's will spikenova for example.
Also depends what you want to do, poiosn or other stances.
Poison is imo most effective with this setup. You move/heal with whirlwind, and procs spread poison, they only need to really land 1x, so you are fine if whirlwind doesn't proc crazy amount, since it isn't needed.
If you go for normal non-psn damage, you will want ton of procs becase they all stack and contibute to dps, and then it becomes problematic, it is hard to trigger enough things, even if you really look for evey possible proc item (like akarats trek boots and so on).

Actually, I'm memeing around with
Vizjerei Fury
Vizjerei Fury
Short Spear (Sacred)

Throw Damage: 69 to 80
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 50
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity:
1386
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
Ignore Target's Defense
-33% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-33% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-33% to Enemy Cold Resistance
(20 to 25)% to Dexterity
(20 to 25)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Physical Resist 10%
+(60 to 100) Life after each Kill
Requirements +200%
Socketed (3)
.
Even with shitty gears and ~100 pierce, I'm clearing Fauzt quite decently so far.
Feels like I'm playing coc build from POE :-]
I'm considering
Indigo
Indigo
Circlets

'UnTaha'
Runeword Level: 110
+2 to All Skills
+100 Spell Focus
50% Cast Speed
-(15 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
-500 Defense
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Elemental Resists +(13 to 15)%
Requirements -100%
or
Unveiling Eye
Unveiling Eye
Circlet (Sacred)

Defense: 505 to 571
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 262
Item Level: 130
Hidden Reliquary
(Bonus per Hidden Crafts)
+25 Spell Focus
+20% to Elemental Spell Damage
+1 to All Skills
-(21 to 30)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
50% Magic Find
Socketed (4)
to boost spell dmg/pierce.
So I should drop them to get Area attacks.
If Area effect makes big difference to proc, I have to use that I guess.


have you tried kraken stance? I wonder how it fits vizjerei fury.
Prefix +(15 to 25) to Kraken Stance
Elemental Weapons
Suffix +(18 to 29) to Kraken Stance
Barbarian Helms

Doesn't Kraken only work for attacks?

Vizjerei Fury has:
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
I think it should work for melee attacks skills? but the trinity beam itself counted as projectile or spell will not be affected by kraken?
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boozek wrote:
matdoo wrote:
boozek wrote:
matdoo wrote:
aerial wrote:Warmonger is definitely worth it, it has amazing stats, 10% dodge is great (stacks with immortal).
Then you are free to use whatever weapon.
There are other nice aoe procs, such as qarak's will spikenova for example.
Also depends what you want to do, poiosn or other stances.
Poison is imo most effective with this setup. You move/heal with whirlwind, and procs spread poison, they only need to really land 1x, so you are fine if whirlwind doesn't proc crazy amount, since it isn't needed.
If you go for normal non-psn damage, you will want ton of procs becase they all stack and contibute to dps, and then it becomes problematic, it is hard to trigger enough things, even if you really look for evey possible proc item (like akarats trek boots and so on).

Actually, I'm memeing around with
Vizjerei Fury
Vizjerei Fury
Short Spear (Sacred)

Throw Damage: 69 to 80
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 50
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity:
1386
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
You may Only use Melee, Summon and Support Skills
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
Ignore Target's Defense
-33% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-33% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-33% to Enemy Cold Resistance
(20 to 25)% to Dexterity
(20 to 25)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Physical Resist 10%
+(60 to 100) Life after each Kill
Requirements +200%
Socketed (3)
.
Even with shitty gears and ~100 pierce, I'm clearing Fauzt quite decently so far.
Feels like I'm playing coc build from POE :-]
I'm considering
Indigo
Indigo
Circlets

'UnTaha'
Runeword Level: 110
+2 to All Skills
+100 Spell Focus
50% Cast Speed
-(15 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
-500 Defense
Maximum Elemental Resists +2%
Elemental Resists +(13 to 15)%
Requirements -100%
or
Unveiling Eye
Unveiling Eye
Circlet (Sacred)

Defense: 505 to 571
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 262
Item Level: 130
Hidden Reliquary
(Bonus per Hidden Crafts)
+25 Spell Focus
+20% to Elemental Spell Damage
+1 to All Skills
-(21 to 30)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Slain Monsters Rest in Peace
50% Magic Find
Socketed (4)
to boost spell dmg/pierce.
So I should drop them to get Area attacks.
If Area effect makes big difference to proc, I have to use that I guess.


have you tried kraken stance? I wonder how it fits vizjerei fury.
Prefix +(15 to 25) to Kraken Stance
Elemental Weapons
Suffix +(18 to 29) to Kraken Stance
Barbarian Helms

Doesn't Kraken only work for attacks?

Vizjerei Fury has:
25% Chance to cast level 60 Trinity Beam on Melee Attack
I think it should work for melee attacks skills? but the trinity beam itself counted as projectile or spell will not be affected by kraken?

Kraken will work with Windform but not Trinity beam since it's spell iirc.
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it doesnt make sense, windform by itself hits only 1 target at once, 1 monster @ your attacks per second.
You would need tons of procs, with aoe, many ptojectiles, novas, all that to really deliver this damage from kraken + screaming eagle.

trinity beam is a spell, so any weapon damage enhancing stances will do nothing to increase its damage
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