Single Player Gearing Question(s)

annoying cat wrote:checked the guides. no update on the batsin. just askin though. the batsin nova and the javelin nova proc from the armor, do both they carry crushing blow, deadly strike, pierce, etc?

Yes they do. Javelin nova?

Nitz wrote:
annoying cat wrote:checked the guides. no update on the batsin. just askin though. the batsin nova and the javelin nova proc from the armor, do both they carry crushing blow, deadly strike, pierce, etc?

Yes they do. Javelin nova?

sorry i didnt put in the details. its the proc from crafted armor. heres the link to the very old video i once watched. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHONNTUm_sQ

its very hard to get, i just gave up trying, even with all the resources and d2clicker :cry:

annoying cat wrote:sorry i didnt put in the details. its the proc from crafted armor. heres the link to the very old video i once watched. ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHONNTUm_sQ

its very hard to get, i just gave up trying, even with all the resources and d2clicker

Compare that proc to your nova, if you do it correctly you have 3 novas on the screen most of the time... you don't need more damage. With Natasha's Legacy we have nice pierce, defense and uninterruptible attacks. The rest of our items can all be abba crafted with 5 MF mo's. 40 Mf gloves, 40 Boots, 20 belt, 20 helm. Sockets are preferably 2% life leech and 10% MF so that's another 150 MF. 290 mf is very nice.

Also on another note - if you really want your bats to do most of the damage I guess they actually benefit from %elemental damage since they carry your ways damage and do direct melee hits, if they had Area Effect Attack they would be perfect.

Nitz wrote:
annoying cat wrote:sorry i didnt put in the details. its the proc from crafted armor. heres the link to the very old video i once watched. ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHONNTUm_sQ

its very hard to get, i just gave up trying, even with all the resources and d2clicker

Compare that proc to your nova, if you do it correctly you have 3 novas on the screen most of the time... you don't need more damage. With Natasha's Legacy we have nice pierce, defense and uninterruptible attacks. The rest of our items can all be abba crafted with 5 MF mo's. 40 Mf gloves, 40 Boots, 20 belt, 20 helm. Sockets are preferably 2% life leech and 10% MF so that's another 150 MF. 290 mf is very nice.

Also on another note - if you really want your bats to do most of the damage I guess they actually benefit from %elemental damage since they carry your ways damage and do direct melee hits, if they had Area Effect Attack they would be perfect.

with that, i guess bloodbath won't be necessary. i'll get back here if i get to that point and if i have problems with gears. thanks!

annoying cat wrote:checked the guides. no update on the batsin. just askin though. the batsin nova and the javelin nova proc from the armor, do both they carry crushing blow, deadly strike, pierce, etc?

https://youtu.be/m_zAXRLxPMo

Full gear with kur jewels,

Choronzon

Choronzon
Assassin Claws
'SurTal'
Runeword Level: 75
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
20% Cast Speed
+20% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Slows Attacker by (15 to 20)%
10% to Energy
Regenerate Mana +15%
+(20 to 25) Life after each Kill
4% Reanimate as: Random Monster
+(40 to 50) Life when Struck by an Enemy

Bathos

Bathos
Aspis (4)
Defense: 84 to 162
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 28
Required Dexterity: 59
Item Level: 10
+(0 to 1) to Assassin Skill Levels
-3% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-3% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+10 to Energy
Fire Resist +(11 to 15)%
Poison Resist +(11 to 15)%
+20 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (1)
Defense: 218 to 386
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 55
Required Dexterity: 87
Item Level: 36
+(0 to 1) to Assassin Skill Levels
-6% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-6% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+20 to Energy
Fire Resist +(21 to 25)%
Poison Resist +(21 to 25)%
+40 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (3)
Defense: 452 to 776
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 41
Required Strength: 193
Required Dexterity: 183
Item Level: 51
+(0 to 2) to Assassin Skill Levels
-9% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-9% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+30 to Energy
Fire Resist +(31 to 35)%
Poison Resist +(31 to 35)%
+60 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (4)
Defense: 615 to 1052
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 50
Required Strength: 385
Required Dexterity: 378
Item Level: 85
+(1 to 2) to Assassin Skill Levels
-12% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-12% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+40 to Energy
Fire Resist +(36 to 40)%
Poison Resist +(36 to 40)%
+80 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (4)

Fauztin's Visage

Fauztin's Visage
Field Plate (4)
Defense: 268 to 540
Required Level: 11
Required Strength: 32
Item Level: 19
+(11 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(6 to 10)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+50% Enhanced Defense
+250 Defense vs. Melee
+50 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (21 to 25)%
Physical Resist 1%
Socketed (2)
Defense: 890 to 1668
Required Level: 37
Required Strength: 63
Item Level: 36
+(21 to 30)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(11 to 15)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+100% Enhanced Defense
+500 Defense vs. Melee
+100 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (31 to 35)%
Physical Resist 2%
Socketed (4)
Defense: 2232 to 4107
Required Level: 61
Required Strength: 219
Item Level: 59
+(31 to 40)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(16 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+150% Enhanced Defense
+750 Defense vs. Melee
+175 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (41 to 45)%
Physical Resist 3%
Socketed (5)
Defense: 3642 to 6678
Required Level: 75
Required Strength: 438
Item Level: 85
+(41 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(21 to 25)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+200% Enhanced Defense
+1000 Defense vs. Melee
+250 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (46 to 50)%
Physical Resist 5%
Socketed (6)

Umbaru's Jinx

Umbaru's Jinx
Mask (4)
Defense: (116 - 126) to (195 - 209)
Required Level: 7
Required Strength: 30
Item Level: 10
+(0 to 1) to Necromancer Skill Levels
15% Hit Recovery
+(6 to 10)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(21 to 40)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(31 to 50)% Enhanced Defense
+(51 to 100) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (11 to 20)%
Physical Resist 1%
(6 to 10)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (1)
Defense: (416 - 448) to (546 - 587)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 60
Item Level: 31
+(0 to 1) to Necromancer Skill Levels
30% Hit Recovery
+(11 to 15)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(41 to 60)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(61 to 80)% Enhanced Defense
+(151 to 200) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (21 to 30)%
Physical Resist 2%
(11 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
Defense: (927 - 994) to (1163 - 1249)
Required Level: 42
Required Strength: 210
Item Level: 51
+(0 to 2) to Necromancer Skill Levels
45% Hit Recovery
+(16 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(61 to 80)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(91 to 110)% Enhanced Defense
+(251 to 300) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (31 to 40)%
Physical Resist 3%
(21 to 30)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Defense: (1422 - 1515) to (1759 - 1876)
Required Level: 50
Required Strength: 420
Item Level: 77
+(1 to 2) to Necromancer Skill Levels
60% Hit Recovery
+(21 to 25)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(81 to 100)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(121 to 140)% Enhanced Defense
+(351 to 400) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (41 to 50)%
Physical Resist 4%
(31 to 40)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)

honorifics and one tainted crafted shrine gloves. MO with minion dmg, health and res til 75%.

Max ways, perfect being, 10 batstrike, 9 vampiric icon and rest shadow ref.

It's horribly weak. With SR and vampiric icon any sin can survive just fine that's nice but summoning the bats and recasting them all the time is a real pain in the ass. It's too weak for most ubers and once you hit late game it's better to focus on other stuff since if you would just cast the first charge nova it has a faster clear speed than 100 bats would have. So it sucks early and late, there is never a point in going batsin.

A much funnier built that can actually be used for all ubers to self twink is flamefront sin - a claw with chance to cast flamefront a shield with Oskill ATMG, rest fascinated shrine crafts. You will proc a million flame fronts out of your mid section while enemies melt away.

The problem are fire immune enemies which just don't want to die and you run out of mana fast. Without a physical wdm proc you won't even leech much mana. I would say go for albrecht revenge armor but then you lose one huge fascinated shrine bonus and the flame front proc isn't even that great. So go full ATMG with judge claw... but then you play ATMG sin which is just as boring as quill storm or limpet and let's be honest limpet is just 50 times stronger/faster/safer than ATMG. Here is my advice twink yourself with limpet then go back to batstrike and just make use of the first charge.

Nitz wrote:
annoying cat wrote:checked the guides. no update on the batsin. just askin though. the batsin nova and the javelin nova proc from the armor, do both they carry crushing blow, deadly strike, pierce, etc?

https://youtu.be/m_zAXRLxPMo

Full gear with kur jewels,
Choronzon

Choronzon
Assassin Claws
'SurTal'
Runeword Level: 75
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
20% Cast Speed
+20% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Slows Attacker by (15 to 20)%
10% to Energy
Regenerate Mana +15%
+(20 to 25) Life after each Kill
4% Reanimate as: Random Monster
+(40 to 50) Life when Struck by an Enemy

Bathos
Bathos
Aspis (4)
Defense: 84 to 162
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 28
Required Dexterity: 59
Item Level: 10
+(0 to 1) to Assassin Skill Levels
-3% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-3% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+10 to Energy
Fire Resist +(11 to 15)%
Poison Resist +(11 to 15)%
+20 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (1)
Defense: 218 to 386
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 55
Required Dexterity: 87
Item Level: 36
+(0 to 1) to Assassin Skill Levels
-6% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-6% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+20 to Energy
Fire Resist +(21 to 25)%
Poison Resist +(21 to 25)%
+40 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (3)
Defense: 452 to 776
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 41
Required Strength: 193
Required Dexterity: 183
Item Level: 51
+(0 to 2) to Assassin Skill Levels
-9% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-9% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+30 to Energy
Fire Resist +(31 to 35)%
Poison Resist +(31 to 35)%
+60 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (4)
Defense: 615 to 1052
Chance to Block: 4%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 50
Required Strength: 385
Required Dexterity: 378
Item Level: 85
+(1 to 2) to Assassin Skill Levels
-12% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-12% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+40 to Energy
Fire Resist +(36 to 40)%
Poison Resist +(36 to 40)%
+80 Life on Melee Attack
Socketed (4)
Fauztin's Visage
Fauztin's Visage
Field Plate (4)
Defense: 268 to 540
Required Level: 11
Required Strength: 32
Item Level: 19
+(11 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(6 to 10)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+50% Enhanced Defense
+250 Defense vs. Melee
+50 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (21 to 25)%
Physical Resist 1%
Socketed (2)
Defense: 890 to 1668
Required Level: 37
Required Strength: 63
Item Level: 36
+(21 to 30)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(11 to 15)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+100% Enhanced Defense
+500 Defense vs. Melee
+100 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (31 to 35)%
Physical Resist 2%
Socketed (4)
Defense: 2232 to 4107
Required Level: 61
Required Strength: 219
Item Level: 59
+(31 to 40)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(16 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+150% Enhanced Defense
+750 Defense vs. Melee
+175 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (41 to 45)%
Physical Resist 3%
Socketed (5)
Defense: 3642 to 6678
Required Level: 75
Required Strength: 438
Item Level: 85
+(41 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(21 to 25)% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+200% Enhanced Defense
+1000 Defense vs. Melee
+250 to Life
Poison Length Reduced by (46 to 50)%
Physical Resist 5%
Socketed (6)
Umbaru's Jinx
Umbaru's Jinx
Mask (4)
Defense: (116 - 126) to (195 - 209)
Required Level: 7
Required Strength: 30
Item Level: 10
+(0 to 1) to Necromancer Skill Levels
15% Hit Recovery
+(6 to 10)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(21 to 40)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(31 to 50)% Enhanced Defense
+(51 to 100) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (11 to 20)%
Physical Resist 1%
(6 to 10)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (1)
Defense: (416 - 448) to (546 - 587)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 60
Item Level: 31
+(0 to 1) to Necromancer Skill Levels
30% Hit Recovery
+(11 to 15)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(41 to 60)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(61 to 80)% Enhanced Defense
+(151 to 200) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (21 to 30)%
Physical Resist 2%
(11 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
Defense: (927 - 994) to (1163 - 1249)
Required Level: 42
Required Strength: 210
Item Level: 51
+(0 to 2) to Necromancer Skill Levels
45% Hit Recovery
+(16 to 20)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(61 to 80)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(91 to 110)% Enhanced Defense
+(251 to 300) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (31 to 40)%
Physical Resist 3%
(21 to 30)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Defense: (1422 - 1515) to (1759 - 1876)
Required Level: 50
Required Strength: 420
Item Level: 77
+(1 to 2) to Necromancer Skill Levels
60% Hit Recovery
+(21 to 25)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+(81 to 100)% to Summoned Minion Attack Rating
+(121 to 140)% Enhanced Defense
+(351 to 400) Defense
Poison Length Reduced by (41 to 50)%
Physical Resist 4%
(31 to 40)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
honorifics and one tainted crafted shrine gloves. MO with minion dmg, health and res til 75%.

Max ways, perfect being, 10 batstrike, 9 vampiric icon and rest shadow ref.

It's horribly weak. With SR and vampiric icon any sin can survive just fine that's nice but summoning the bats and recasting them all the time is a real pain in the ass. It's too weak for most ubers and once you hit late game it's better to focus on other stuff since if you would just cast the first charge nova it has a faster clear speed than 100 bats would have. So it sucks early and late, there is never a point in going batsin.

A much funnier built that can actually be used for all ubers to self twink is flamefront sin - a claw with chance to cast flamefront a shield with Oskill ATMG, rest fascinated shrine crafts. You will proc a million flame fronts out of your mid section while enemies melt away.

flamefront proc and oskill atmg? but i am too lazy to cast atmg every 5 secs hehe. i noticed that the 3rd charge of the batstrike is strong and very good for tight, small monster packs. imho, it may have the potential to a boss killer.