Diaco wrote:No, I'm saying "how was UMP nerfed in 2.0?".
Also, many builds check all the checkboxes you mention for totem, then. That just sounds like a really good build. I don't consider any of those things OP. I would consider OP a build that can do high labs and/or Sam/deimoss without extreme investment
Then u must mean Blood Thorns UMP is not UMP or what I have been playing is just a fake median 2.0, I guess.
And for high labs, sry but Ive seen no Lemures build above lvl 145 on ladder. Nearly all are holy casters or holy melees. I can only guess that is because Lemures build does not perform well in high labs so ppl dont go with it for labs. Im not sure about that. So correct me if Im wrong, or u can show us some vids about it running high labs without extreme investment. Its always good to learn. Thx in advance. My dawn crystal sword pal is lvl 148 on ladder and can grind in t9 & t10 labs, but not that safe with just 18k life pool (Adjudicator version with Arkaine's Valor surely has much more life). So if Lemures build can reach this far, I would definitely try it.
Tbh, not many bds can do all the checkboxes as good as totem, if u ever played totem u will know. I can tell that u dont play totem from what u said. Yes, any of these alone is not OP at all. But together, they make totem nec powerful in 2.0 (already powerful in 1.7/1.8). Just try it, and u will know what I mean.
Killing sam without extreme investment means OP? Well, I guess u must know that netrualdin can do it without extreme investment. U think netrualdin OP?
Naginata Assassin can also do it without extreme investment, so naga sin OP?
Malic nec can do it without extreme investment ever since 1.4 version till 2.0, Malic nec OP?
Totem nec cant so is worse than Malic nec?
OK. Leave all these alone, whatever. I just want to know:
1、Is Blood Thorns UMP nerfed in 2.0?
2、If so, why nerf it? For it is OP in 1.7/1.8? But as I remember, its just an ordinary farmer and ordinary boss killer in 1.7/1.8.
3、Is Totem nec buffed in 2.0?
4、If so, why buff it? For it is too weak in 1.7/1.8? But as I remember, its already a good farmer and good boss killer in 1.7/1.8.