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Karsa
Skeleton
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Hey all.

Quick question. Wondering about the changes to goodberry > symbiosis. I just started this build the other day as my first toon on SW. Is this still useful? Not really sure what's changed and if it's still worth taking.

Also, am I right in thinking thorn strike is a 1 point wonder? Doesn't really say anywhere that I can see In the main guide, but the skill itself doesn't seem to add much
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Goodberry and Lifeshield were combined. You can get up to 20% avoid with Symbiosis + Elvensong, it takes 30pts but thats what I've been doing instead of dumping points into Idol of Scosglen. Thorn Strike is just 1 pt unless you wanna stack damage for bosses (like Astrogha).
Karsa
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Fumbles wrote:Goodberry and Lifeshield were combined. You can get up to 20% avoid with Symbiosis + Elvensong, it takes 30pts but thats what I've been doing instead of dumping points into Idol of Scosglen. Thorn Strike is just 1 pt unless you wanna stack damage for bosses (like Astrogha).


Perfect, just to clarify, elven song summons elves and charms monsters right? Or are we using it for its passive bonus?
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Its for the avoid synergy through Symbiosis. Make sure you have 4 points in Symbiosis for 100% effectiveness.
Webbhead08
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97 | -4
Is there any other option for Gloves besides Icarus towards late/end game? I don't see their usefulness besides the run/walk speed (and I already have flying saucer), but Glor-An-Fhaidha's Firebark hasn't dropped nor have I seen it on anyone's trade list. Any thoughts?

Also... I was running out of Mana (~4000) in Teganze earlier today. Could this be due to low attack rating ~10,000??

Thanks as always -
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Featherclaw
Featherclaw
Chain Gloves (6)

Defense: (28-30) to (49-54)
Required Strength: 38
Required Level: 5
15% Faster Run/Walk
5% Increased Attack Speed
(21 to 50)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(3 to 5)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
+(6 to 10) to Dexterity
+(101 to 150) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (1)

Defense: (72-78) to (110-119)
Required Strength: 55
Required Level: 13
20% Faster Run/Walk
10% Increased Attack Speed
(51 to 80)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(6 to 8)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(30 to 40)% Enhanced Defense
+(11 to 15) to Dexterity
+(151 to 200) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (2)

Defense: (149-161) to (203-218)
Required Strength: 80
Required Level: 22
25% Faster Run/Walk
15% Increased Attack Speed
(81 to 110)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(9 to 11)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
+(16 to 20) to Dexterity
+(201 to 250) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (2)

Defense: (250-268) to (334-358)
Required Strength: 116
Required Level: 31
30% Faster Run/Walk
20% Increased Attack Speed
(111 to 140)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(12 to 14)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(52 to 63)% Enhanced Defense
+(21 to 25) to Dexterity
+(251 to 300) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (3)

Defense: (393-420) to (519-554)
Required Strength: 168
Required Level: 40
35% Faster Run/Walk
25% Increased Attack Speed
(141 to 170)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(15 to 17)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(26 to 30) to Dexterity
+(301 to 350) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (3)

Defense: (581-617) to (759-807)
Required Strength: 244
Required Level: 48
40% Faster Run/Walk
30% Increased Attack Speed
(171 to 200)% Bonus to Attack Rating
(18 to 20)% Chance of Open Wounds
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 35) to Dexterity
+(351 to 400) Maximum Stamina
Socketed (4)

for more attack rating. Having it that low will require more attacking (higher mana depletion), so try to get as much as you can. I know mana is an issue in Teganze and the Treewarden isn't great for farming there. Swapping jewelry for rares with orbed mana regeneration will help some. Switching to wolf would make farming faster and most of the gear for tree works fine on wolf. Also, make sure you only have Thorn Strike at 1 point to keep the skill cost as low as possible.
Webbhead08
Lava Lord
97 | -4
Yeah after I respec'd I am up to 16-17K attack rating which has made a huge difference but I think I might just make a couple special rings for mana regen. And yeah I only have 1 pt in Thorn Strike, followed the guide's page 1 pretty much as explicitly as possible although I am still not so convinced on those Icarus gloves but perhaps I will give them a whirl because why not..

Would the Icarus Gloves be a better option than Baron Sludge's Bonecrusher? 8% dmg reduc, -50% target def, and Target Takes additional 755 dmg
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Icarus was a solution (frw) to surviving terror Fauztinville for the Black Road Challenge and I kept them because they had 2.4k defense in the glove slot (t6 gauntlets) which was nice given the low strength requirement. At that point in the game, there aren't a ton of spare points to invest in dexterity to equip a high tier shield so the defense is welcomed.
Kali
Kali
Gloves

'Pul'
Runeword Level: 45
33% Chance to cast level 6 Fire Splash on Kill
+2 to All Skills
-214 Defense
+10% to Maximum Fire Resist
Fire Resist +31%
Level 2 Possess (124 Charges)
is another good option with the +2 skills, proc, max fire res and orb space so maybe give those a try. My goal was to keep the build cheap through mid-game so I avoided adding sus to that part of the guide. I haven't used Bonecrushers specifically with the build, but most of the stats are useful. If I already had Flying Saucer, I'd use Bonecrushers over Icarus.
Webbhead08
Lava Lord
97 | -4
I really appreciate the replies - all of what you said makes sense
oski89
Stygian Watcher
43 | 0
Scales of the Serpent
Scales of the Serpent
Gothic Plate (Sacred)

Defense: (6800-7552) to (8249-9162)
Required Strength: 614
Required Level: 100
15% Chance to cast level 40 Arachnomancy on Melee Attack
8% Chance to cast level 12 Time Strike on Striking
+150% Damage to Undead
Adds 200-300 poison damage over 2 seconds
-35% to Enemy Poison Resistance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Enhanced Weapon Damage +(41 to 50)%
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
+100 to Strength
+50 Life on Attack
(31 to 40)% Chance of Uninterruptable Attack
Socketed (6)

is better than Erawan (Nih rune) RW??