Achilles - An Endgame Neutraldin Guide

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Berkabus1
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I have relic vessel of rerribution 16 sk 7% phys if anyone wants to buy it pm me
DeaTh
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mill3nia wrote:I'm going to have a little bit of extra time over the next couple weeks, I'm going to attempt to do my best to tackle the early - mid game section and get it current, if anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on what needs to change please feel free to reply or PM.


Draft for you :) Higly wanna discuss more competent options.

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Skills(few variants):
Old but gold(I took it from the old guide with minor fixes):
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@riddyl's idea:
Get base build. Drop demiurge and get more Vessel of Retribution/SoE. But now his build is back to a more classic one. Judging by the link https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=blacknoir

Useful Link for this season - How spell damage works now by @NotCube (ty, man!)
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DeaTh wrote:
mill3nia wrote:I'm going to have a little bit of extra time over the next couple weeks, I'm going to attempt to do my best to tackle the early - mid game section and get it current, if anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on what needs to change please feel free to reply or PM.


Draft for you :) Higly wanna discuss more competent options.

Attributes:
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Gear:
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Skills(few variants):
Old but gold(I took it from the old guide with minor fixes):
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Late Game farm:
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@riddyl's idea:
Get base build. Drop demiurge and get more Vessel of Retribution/SoE. But now his build is back to a more classic one. Judging by the link https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=blacknoir

Useful Link for this season - How spell damage works now by @NotCube (ty, man!)


appreciate it man! I'll look it over and run some tests over the next week or so and see how it feels.
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DeaTh wrote:
mill3nia wrote:I'm going to have a little bit of extra time over the next couple weeks, I'm going to attempt to do my best to tackle the early - mid game section and get it current, if anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on what needs to change please feel free to reply or PM.


Draft for you :) Higly wanna discuss more competent options.

Attributes:
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Gear:
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Skills(few variants):
Old but gold(I took it from the old guide with minor fixes):
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Late Game farm:
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@riddyl's idea:
Get base build. Drop demiurge and get more Vessel of Retribution/SoE. But now his build is back to a more classic one. Judging by the link https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=blacknoir

Useful Link for this season - How spell damage works now by @NotCube (ty, man!)


I ended up changing again, now running smax both vessels as I have Angiris Star for sustain. Max L&D, then 12 Rapture and 12 Demi. This absolutely ruins Dunc in about 4mins with ~230%mf and picking up every unique. Annoyingly I'm missing quite a few charms, which means my life is too low for Fautz right now.
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riddyl wrote:
DeaTh wrote:
mill3nia wrote:I'm going to have a little bit of extra time over the next couple weeks, I'm going to attempt to do my best to tackle the early - mid game section and get it current, if anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on what needs to change please feel free to reply or PM.


Draft for you :) Higly wanna discuss more competent options.

Attributes:
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Gear:
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Skills(few variants):
Old but gold(I took it from the old guide with minor fixes):
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Late Game farm:
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@riddyl's idea:
Get base build. Drop demiurge and get more Vessel of Retribution/SoE. But now his build is back to a more classic one. Judging by the link https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=blacknoir

Useful Link for this season - How spell damage works now by @NotCube (ty, man!)


I ended up changing again, now running smax both vessels as I have Angiris Star for sustain. Max L&D, then 12 Rapture and 12 Demi. This absolutely ruins Dunc in about 4mins with ~230%mf and picking up every unique. Annoyingly I'm missing quite a few charms, which means my life is too low for Fautz right now.


awesome I appreciate the info, had a few things come up so just waiting to have a bit of free time so I can test some of these out and see how it goes. any suggestions on changing out any sections of the guide? or what sections I really should focus on changing?

edit: unfortunately I've neglected this guide a bit just have had a pretty hectic work schedule etc. so really hoping I can get it caught up with some community support. normally I'd do most of the testing independently.
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https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=MaxJustice

idk what gear to be working toward
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idk what gear to be working toward


Some "cheap" upgrades:
Swap Ring of Regha for one with +1sk / PMSD / Spell Focus.
Amulet with atleast +3sk / PMSD / Spell Focus.
Craft a shield until you get
The Collector
The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)

Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Total Character Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)
.
Swap boots to
Wake of Destruction
Wake of Destruction
Greaves (4)

Defense: (90 - 102) to (135 - 152)
Required Level: 9
Required Strength:
60
Item Level: 16
+(4 to 6)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(6 to 8)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(6 to 8)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(11 to 13)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(24 to 40)% Enhanced Defense
+(21 to 25) to Energy
Requirements -20%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (333 - 369) to (462 - 512)
Required Level: 27
Required Strength:
84
Item Level: 32
+(7 to 9)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(10 to 12)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(10 to 12)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(15 to 17)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(58 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(26 to 30) to Energy
Requirements -25%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (854 - 930) to (1152 - 1254)
Required Level: 44
Required Strength:
164
Item Level: 51
+(10 to 12)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(14 to 16)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(14 to 16)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(19 to 21)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(92 to 109)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 35) to Energy
Requirements -30%
Socketed (3)
Defense: (1274 - 1378) to (1713 - 1853)
Required Level: 52
Required Strength:
292
Item Level: 86
+(13 to 15)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(18 to 20)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(18 to 20)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(23 to 25)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(109 to 126)% Enhanced Defense
+(36 to 40) to Energy
Requirements -40%
Socketed (4)
(Don't really know about this, but it was pretty much BIS with old Spell Focus because of %).
Craft a helm with atleast +pala skill, Spell Focus, PMSD.
Get a
Dead Lake's Lady
Dead Lake's Lady
Grand Scepter (Sacred)

One-Hand Damage: 30 to 38
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 449
Item Level: 105
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+200 Spell Focus
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
50% Block Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
+(21 to 25)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(21 to 25)% to Strength
(21 to 25)% to Dexterity
(21 to 25)% to Energy
Regenerate Mana +25%
Socketed (3)
its pretty cheap and pretty common.

But the most important thing: Get 400 Sigs ASAP.
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Yeahsper wrote:
partial wrote:https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=MaxJustice

idk what gear to be working toward


Some "cheap" upgrades:
Swap Ring of Regha for one with +1sk / PMSD / Spell Focus.
Amulet with atleast +3sk / PMSD / Spell Focus.
Craft a shield until you get
The Collector
The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)

Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Total Character Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)
.
Swap boots to
Wake of Destruction
Wake of Destruction
Greaves (4)

Defense: (90 - 102) to (135 - 152)
Required Level: 9
Required Strength:
60
Item Level: 16
+(4 to 6)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(6 to 8)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(6 to 8)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(11 to 13)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(24 to 40)% Enhanced Defense
+(21 to 25) to Energy
Requirements -20%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (333 - 369) to (462 - 512)
Required Level: 27
Required Strength:
84
Item Level: 32
+(7 to 9)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(10 to 12)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(10 to 12)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(15 to 17)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(58 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(26 to 30) to Energy
Requirements -25%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (854 - 930) to (1152 - 1254)
Required Level: 44
Required Strength:
164
Item Level: 51
+(10 to 12)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(14 to 16)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(14 to 16)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(19 to 21)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(92 to 109)% Enhanced Defense
+(31 to 35) to Energy
Requirements -30%
Socketed (3)
Defense: (1274 - 1378) to (1713 - 1853)
Required Level: 52
Required Strength:
292
Item Level: 86
+(13 to 15)% Bonus to Spell Focus
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(18 to 20)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(18 to 20)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(23 to 25)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(109 to 126)% Enhanced Defense
+(36 to 40) to Energy
Requirements -40%
Socketed (4)
(Don't really know about this, but it was pretty much BIS with old Spell Focus because of %).
Craft a helm with atleast +pala skill, Spell Focus, PMSD.
Get a
Dead Lake's Lady
Dead Lake's Lady
Grand Scepter (Sacred)

One-Hand Damage: 30 to 38
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 449
Item Level: 105
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+200 Spell Focus
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
50% Block Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
+(21 to 25)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(21 to 25)% to Strength
(21 to 25)% to Dexterity
(21 to 25)% to Energy
Regenerate Mana +25%
Socketed (3)
its pretty cheap and pretty common.

But the most important thing: Get 400 Sigs ASAP.


My issue with dead lake lady was that all the rest of my gear required Str, and the mace requires high Dex. So you end up needing to pump both stats and then energy for fcap, leaving your life quite low. Aeterna for me is better as it requires Str and doesn't have much worse stats, and you can make up 45spf with 3 more jewels.

Some other thoughts...

I think for shield slot you're best off with spiked/bone shield as it can roll 2 skills and 30%pmsd before shrine roll and bless. Plus you've got 2 additional sockets on top of the aerin shield. I used pally shield for a while though so it's usable.

Budget helm would be the Celestial Orchard set helm as you get pmsd, laek and Tcd. Craft might be better though.

It's pretty easy to roll 11+spf jewels with 2% or more pmsd. This gives you over 300spf before any rolls on items or charms.
nemmate
Azure Drake
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I'm playing with a neutraldin right now, but I max vessel of retribution and not vessel of justice. It gives more damage to absolution. After that, I saw this guide. Why vessel of justice is better ? Why are you max justice, and not retribution ? Is there any difference between ? I can't max the two skills, because I know there aren't enough skill points (I max demiurge and sacred armor already, so I need to make a choice) Thx
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nemmate wrote: Why are you max justice, and not retribution ? Is there any difference between ?


VoJ has more range (4 units vs 10 units), your spell starts hitting enemies earlier hence potentially more damage when you're running circles around your target.