Achilles - An Endgame Neutraldin Guide

Jounzy wrote:Hi guys,

Any advices on maxing the mf of the Neutraldin for Duncraig running (outside of lilith temptation and the mo/umo). I'm thinking of replacing most of my jewels by lum runes and perfect turquoise (shield only). I'll lose some dps but it should be way enough for Duncraig anyway.

What mf do you think I should reach ? I currently have around 160.

Try to craft mf jewels with added bonuses like spell dmg /energy factor / %energy or all stats and all of them if your lucky and at 200% mf its a good start.

I actually followed TgTalcon's advice and crafted a +2 skills, +90 EF, +20% spell dmg, 40% FHR, +67mf. I'm now at 300 mf with 20-23k voj damage so pretty happy.

I'm able to clear all Duncraig in about 6 mins so not too bad. Though, the Collector is trolling me. Got 2 SU bone shield in a row...

why The Collector is so much better?

look my shield and tell me if really worth to change it pls.

Carrion Rock
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: 1702
Chance to Block: 2%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 394
Item Level: 99
+33 Energy Factor to Spell Damage
Indestructible
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
+15% Hit Recovery
+41% Bonus to Attack Rating
+6% to Fire Spell Damage
+7% to Lightning Spell Damage
+6% to Cold Spell Damage
+38% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
-4% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
+6% to Poison Spell Damage
+1% to Strength
+3% to Vitality
+2% to Energy
+1% to Dexterity
+98 Defense
+31 Life Regenerated per Second
Magic Resist +3%
Elemental Resists +3%
+15% Magic Find
Durability +100%
Requirements -10%
+44 Required Level
Socketed (4)

also gematria of the collector will make 1 rune worth for 2? like if u put 6x ghal it will be like the shield has 12x ghal?????

pedroboffa wrote:why The Collector is so much better?

look my shield and tell me if really worth to change it pls.

Carrion Rock
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: 1702
Chance to Block: 2%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 130
Required Dexterity: 394
Item Level: 99
+33 Energy Factor to Spell Damage
Indestructible
+4 to Paladin Skill Levels
.
+38% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
.
+98 Defense
+31 Life Regenerated per Second
Magic Resist +3%

The Gematria Modifier of an item means: You will gain all the Boni from the grey text per socketed Great Rune and all the boni * 0.7 per socketed Elemental Rune. This Gematria Bonus is not shown on the item when you put Runes in there but but when opening char screen or d2stats while putting Great Runes in there you will notice the difference.

What that means for Comparison with fully Ghaled Collector:

PMSD: 38 -> 60
skills: 4 Pala ->6 all
EF: 33 -> 90 + 30 (6 Ghal)

Then add the double MO effect and you can put another 20 pmsd on the Collector.
Not talking about defensive stats like 150 % TCD and 60 laek that comes with Gematria as well...
Definitely worth the change...

Oh i see.. so for me i still need the:

Spirit Walker

Spirit Walker
Heavy Boots (Sacred)
Defense: 696 to 737
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 550
Item Level: 120
+1% Physical Resist per 18% Mana Regeneration
+2 to All Skills
+(50 to 100) Spell Focus
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
Jitan's Gate Cooldown Reduced by 1 seconds
+35% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
-15% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Socketed (4)

Black Masquerade

Black Masquerade
Bone Helm (Sacred)
Defense: (2420 - 2904) to (2622 - 3147)
Required Level: 80
Item Level: 120
+100 Spell Focus
+100% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(150 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
+200 Life Regenerated per Second
Physical Resist (0 to 10)%
Requirements -100%
Socketed (4)

The Collector

The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)
Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Bonus to Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)

in this case try to buy

The Collector

The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)
Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Bonus to Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)

first will be the way to go?

pedroboffa wrote:Oh i see.. so for me i still need the:

Spirit Walker
Spirit Walker
Heavy Boots (Sacred)
Defense: 696 to 737
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 550
Item Level: 120
+1% Physical Resist per 18% Mana Regeneration
+2 to All Skills
+(50 to 100) Spell Focus
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
Jitan's Gate Cooldown Reduced by 1 seconds
+35% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
-15% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Socketed (4)

Black Masquerade
Black Masquerade
Bone Helm (Sacred)
Defense: (2420 - 2904) to (2622 - 3147)
Required Level: 80
Item Level: 120
+100 Spell Focus
+100% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+(150 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
+200 Life Regenerated per Second
Physical Resist (0 to 10)%
Requirements -100%
Socketed (4)

The Collector
The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)
Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Bonus to Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)

in this case try to buy
The Collector
The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)
Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Bonus to Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)
first will be the way to go?

Spirit walkers are the last item.

Collector isnt as important imo as black masq, spellbind is a god tier ability

Thank you.
Also very hard to find someone to sell it.
And also very hard to determine what price should i pay for it as people always sell things for a huge range of prices.

Hi i already bought the BLACK MASQUERADE...

which orb do i use?
thanks

If you're playing SSF on ladder, how do you play this build in dense areas? 60k+ defense doesn't sound like a lot moving into Fautz if you're wearing eerie/enchanted crafts?

lazyknob wrote:If you're playing SSF on ladder, how do you play this build in dense areas? 60k+ defense doesn't sound like a lot moving into Fautz if you're wearing eerie/enchanted crafts?

The build doesnt rely on defense for mitigation, it plays with life regen instead. You can get enough life/second to take 0 dmg in fauzt