Achilles - An Endgame Neutraldin Guide

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blatkill
Ice Clan
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tbone503 wrote:
blatkill wrote:did T15 with it today. Boss killing is a bit long.


Would love to see some video of your lab runs with this guy


Will try if i loot another T15 stone. Not playing a lot atm.
Btw, I hardly fail deimoss :D definitely not a nice boss killer
MUS01
Pit Knight
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This build Works in median 2017?
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a321333
Son of Lucion
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Crosby4HyG wrote:
WARBANDIT30 wrote:is build still viable ? does it do labs ?


Definitely still viable. I was able to take it up to about Lab10 with good gear.


its diffcult in earlygame and midgame to me.

Neutraldin is good for Pioneer??
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tbone503
Edyrem
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Some pretty big changes in 1.6.0 coming that will effect this build. Some good, some not so good. Here's a bunch of things I pulled from the patch notes to discuss

WARNING: WALL OF INFORMATION COMING

https://www.median-xl.com/changelog.php

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This won't effect everyone but I have a really nice Natalya's Deception I use with my Neutraldin and it's currently lvl 140. I guess it's going to jump to lvl 165 and become unusable? Major bummer.

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And these look amazing to replace crafted jewels currently being used to give energy factory and phy/magic spell damage. With so many relics, it may be really hard to find these specific ones though, really interested in these.

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Let's discuss. Thoughts?
moncuZ
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At least we can do single target i guess
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tbone503
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moncuZ wrote:At least we can do single target i guess


Yeah, that one sounds interesting. Not really thrilled with The Collector and Black Masquerade getting nerfed. But if can get your hands on some of those relics those could be quite nice. Pretty sure the trade forum will be about 90% trades for relics within a few days of reset.
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Ekital
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tbone503 wrote:
moncuZ wrote:At least we can do single target i guess


Yeah, that one sounds interesting. Not really thrilled with The Collector and Black Masquerade getting nerfed. But if can get your hands on some of those relics those could be quite nice. Pretty sure the trade forum will be about 90% trades for relics within a few days of reset.


Black Masq didn't get nerfed, it received an insane buff. The +3 skills don't compare to 140% sd (After UMOs) and 200 life/sec, spellbind was useless anyway since it no longer works in labs anyway.

Basically neutraldin got an insane buff. You probably want to drop Demiurge completely now and simply add to VoR or its passive to increase your single target multiple-fold. It also gives you an option to replace your main-hand with
The Angiris Star
The Angiris Star
Angel Star (Sacred)

One-Hand Damage: 55 to 58
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 602
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.18 per Strength)%
0.7% Vessel of Retribution Damage Leeched as Life
3% Chance to cast level 40 Boneyard on Death Blow
+(4 to 6) to Paladin Skill Levels
20% Movement Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
-50% to Fire Spell Damage
-50% to Lightning Spell Damage
-50% to Cold Spell Damage
-50% to Poison Spell Damage
+30% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(5 to 20)% to Energy
(5 to 20)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +1%
Socketed (3)
permanently.

Basically the build lost Natalya's and PDR from Blessed life for a huge buff in single target and survivability with Black masq and Angiris.

EDIT:
The Collector
The Collector
Bone Shield (Sacred)

Defense: 965 to 1119
Chance to Block: Class%
Required Level: 110
Required Dexterity: 527
Item Level: 120
Gematria
(Bonus per Socketed Great/Elemental Runes)
+1 to All Skills
+10 Life after each Kill
+25% Total Character Defense
+8% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
Socketed (6)
change is basically irrelevant, you can make up the 90 EF with relics and other items.
Edited by Ekital 5 days.
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tbone503
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Ekital wrote:
tbone503 wrote:
moncuZ wrote:At least we can do single target i guess


Yeah, that one sounds interesting. Not really thrilled with The Collector and Black Masquerade getting nerfed. But if can get your hands on some of those relics those could be quite nice. Pretty sure the trade forum will be about 90% trades for relics within a few days of reset.


Black Masq didn't get nerfed, it received an insane buff. The +3 skills don't compare to 140% sd (After UMOs) and 200 life/sec, spellbind was useless anyway since it no longer works in labs anyway.

Basically neutraldin got an insane buff. You probably want to drop Demiurge completely now and simply add to VoR or its passive to increase your single target multiple-fold. It also gives you an option to replace your main-hand with
The Angiris Star
The Angiris Star
Angel Star (Sacred)

One-Hand Damage: 55 to 58
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 602
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.18 per Strength)%
0.7% Vessel of Retribution Damage Leeched as Life
3% Chance to cast level 40 Boneyard on Death Blow
+(4 to 6) to Paladin Skill Levels
20% Movement Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
-50% to Fire Spell Damage
-50% to Lightning Spell Damage
-50% to Cold Spell Damage
-50% to Poison Spell Damage
+30% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(5 to 20)% to Energy
(5 to 20)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +1%
Socketed (3)
permanently.

Basically the build lost Natalya's and PDR from Blessed life for a huge buff in single target and survivability with Black masq and Angiris.


Well I hope you're right. Wondering if there may be a better shield to use than The Collector now?
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Ekital
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tbone503 wrote:
Ekital wrote:
tbone503 wrote:
moncuZ wrote:At least we can do single target i guess


Yeah, that one sounds interesting. Not really thrilled with The Collector and Black Masquerade getting nerfed. But if can get your hands on some of those relics those could be quite nice. Pretty sure the trade forum will be about 90% trades for relics within a few days of reset.


Black Masq didn't get nerfed, it received an insane buff. The +3 skills don't compare to 140% sd (After UMOs) and 200 life/sec, spellbind was useless anyway since it no longer works in labs anyway.

Basically neutraldin got an insane buff. You probably want to drop Demiurge completely now and simply add to VoR or its passive to increase your single target multiple-fold. It also gives you an option to replace your main-hand with
The Angiris Star
The Angiris Star
Angel Star (Sacred)

One-Hand Damage: 55 to 58
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 602
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.18 per Strength)%
0.7% Vessel of Retribution Damage Leeched as Life
3% Chance to cast level 40 Boneyard on Death Blow
+(4 to 6) to Paladin Skill Levels
20% Movement Speed
+50% Damage to Undead
-50% to Fire Spell Damage
-50% to Lightning Spell Damage
-50% to Cold Spell Damage
-50% to Poison Spell Damage
+30% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
(5 to 20)% to Energy
(5 to 20)% to Vitality
Maximum Elemental Resists +1%
Socketed (3)
permanently.

Basically the build lost Natalya's and PDR from Blessed life for a huge buff in single target and survivability with Black masq and Angiris.


Well I hope you're right. Wondering if there may be a better shield to use than The Collector now?


Collector is still best in slot, losing 90 EF is not a big deal with the new Relics. Hell you can probably even go with a nice crafted bear stance shield w/ relics instead as well.
sm0cker
Cultist
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Potentially usefull relics: Bane, Magic Missle, Dream eater, Boneyard, Eagle Stance, Doom and Wolf Companion (does it work with vessels ?), Balefire, Arcane torrent and Immersion (mana paladin ?), Hurricane, Colosseum (not sure if it will break neutrality), Hive. But thats even more buttons to press.