[S31] Samael vs glass cannon

[willan]

And it's fixed right away

[Splargh]

is this related to the TTAD fix in the latest patch?

[morphed]

is this related to the TTAD fix in the latest patch?

No, it's way deeper than that

[masochista]

is this related to the TTAD fix in the latest patch?

No, it's way deeper than that

Can you explain then? It sounds really interesting

[mortimer_85]

IED Weapons suppossed to not have the stat "Enhanced Damage" on them because they shall not support any phys weapon damage at all.
If you MO ED on an IED base you will notice that you get +1 max damage. All superior IED base have that +1 max damage, too.

Runewors however can Add "ED" to an IED base:

The question now is: What does this stat do if it does anything at all:

- if you have a non superior IED base: It works as a global multiplier to all flat phys sources on thw weapon and the rest of the gear/charms
- if you have a superior IED base: It only works as global multiplier to all min phys damage sources

Keep in mind that you loose all the phys damage from an actual phys weapon base and the EWD from stat scaling

How is it possible to actually get damage with this mechanic?

find runewords with big ED and on top of that big flat phys damage that can put into an IED base.

To really make up for the stat EWD and weapon base damage you need big EWD and flat phys on other gear sources and EWD from skills on your tree.

clawsin was prime candidate because of

Stonefist

Stonefist
Assassin Claws
'SilQor'
Runeword Level: 100
+5-10 Damage per Character Level Above 138
5% Chance to cast level 7 Thunder Wave on Melee Attack
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
Adds 105-160 Damage
(10 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+200% Enhanced Damage
10% Deadly Strike
-50 to Dexterity
+(100 to 125) to Vitality
Physical Resist -5%
Cannot Be Frozen

and a nice shield option with

The Doom Gong of Xiansai

The Doom Gong of Xiansai
Aspis (Sacred)
Defense: (3146 - 3539) to (3672 - 4131)
Chance to Block: 5%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 550
Required Dexterity: 559
Item Level: 105
2% Chance to cast level 12 Thunder Slam on Melee Attack
1% Base Block Chance
Adds (10 to 40)-(50 to 100) Damage
(10 to 20)% Life stolen per Hit
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
20% to Dexterity
Socketed (4)

Other candidates worth trying:
Bear, Barb and Pal, imo but nothing will come close to Stonefist on sin.

And you need to get out your calculator to not overgo on the flat sources and balance out gear EWD and flat with

Crystal of Tears

Crystal of Tears
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
Adds 3-6 Damage
+10 Required Level

and

Essence of Itherael

Essence of Itherael
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
Weapon Physical Damage +9%
15% Bonus to Defense
+10 Required Level

mostly.

Hand of Yaerius

Hand of Yaerius
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5 to Maximum Damage
+12% Damage to Undead
+20 Life Regenerated per Second
+10 Life after each Kill
+10 Required Level

and

Heart of Frost

Heart of Frost
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5% to Cold Spell Damage
Weapon Physical Damage +9%
+3% to Summoned Minion Damage
+10 Required Level

are nice options for pushing on jewelry, too.

Some nice non weapon items to push that:

Hammerfist

Hammerfist
Gauntlets (Sacred)
Defense: (1227 - 1450) to (1436 - 1697)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 105
Adds (1 to 15)-(20 to 30) Damage
5% Life stolen per Hit
+(15 to 25) to Spiral Dance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(30 to 60)%
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists +15%
Socketed (4)

,

Veil of Steel

Veil of Steel
Great Helm (Sacred)
Defense: 9260 to 9653
Required Level: 130
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
Weapon Physical Damage +150%
Hit Causes Monster to Flee +15%
+200% Enhanced Defense
+5000 Defense
Maximum Mana -50%
Socketed (4)

,

Hammerfall

Hammerfall
Setzschild (Sacred)
Defense: 14322 to 17124
Chance to Block: 4%
(Amazon Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 770
Item Level: 120
Deal No Lightning Damage
50% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Hammer Nova on Melee Attack
40% Movement Speed
Adds 25-75 Damage
20% Life stolen per Hit
Weapon Physical Damage +(120 to 180)%
+200% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists -25%
Socketed (6)

,

Snowstorm

Snowstorm
Bull Shield (Sacred)
Defense: (3466 - 3837) to (4194 - 4593)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 90
Required Strength: 500
Required Dexterity: 374
Item Level: 1
+2 to Barbarian Skill Levels
Adds 50-100 Damage
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
+(500 to 1000) Defense
Maximum Cold Resist +1%
Cold Resist +(31 to 50)%
Socketed (4)

Mount Arreat
(Barbarian Earthshaker Set)

,

Wind Runner

Wind Runner
Boots
'SilElqSilGul'
Runeword Level: 100
+(0 to 1) to All Skills
50% Attack Speed
10% Movement Speed
Adds 25-68 Damage
250% Bonus to Attack Rating
(12 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+(171 to 200)% Enhanced Defense

,

Akarat's Trek

Akarat's Trek
Light Plated Boots (Sacred)
Defense: (1960 - 2352) to (2170 - 2604)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
2% Chance to cast level 30 Hammertime on Melee Attack
2% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Wave on Melee Attack
2% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Hammer Nova on Melee Attack
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(15 to 20) to Charged Strike
Weapon Physical Damage +(60 to 90)%
+(150 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
10% to All Attributes
+10 to Light Radius
Socketed (4)

, ...

[Splargh]

hmm yeah, that sounds weird

[morphed]

well its not a mxl feature but vanilla d2 , same as vanilla jewels with ed% acted as an multiplier to non base damage items , plus there’s the min/max dmg bug if you have any min or max damage on item before socketing jewel/rw with ed% then the ed% wont act as w multiplier no more since there’s base dmg on the item from other socketables or umos etc ., in case of superior ied weapons you have +1 max dmg so thats why you want non superior , for example you could block the max dmg multiplier to get the same min-max dmg in case you would hit the damage cap with skills with high wdm% like batstrike

[willan]

Damn, that's really deep. And I thought it was the TTAD fix, as he was using doom in the fight.
Thanks for the enlightment mortimer, morph.

[CorralTheTroops]

IED Weapons suppossed to not have the stat "Enhanced Damage" on them because they shall not support any phys weapon damage at all.
If you MO ED on an IED base you will notice that you get +1 max damage. All superior IED base have that +1 max damage, too.

Runewors however can Add "ED" to an IED base:

The question now is: What does this stat do if it does anything at all:

- if you have a non superior IED base: It works as a global multiplier to all flat phys sources on thw weapon and the rest of the gear/charms
- if you have a superior IED base: It only works as global multiplier to all min phys damage sources

Keep in mind that you loose all the phys damage from an actual phys weapon base and the EWD from stat scaling

How is it possible to actually get damage with this mechanic?

find runewords with big ED and on top of that big flat phys damage that can put into an IED base.

To really make up for the stat EWD and weapon base damage you need big EWD and flat phys on other gear sources and EWD from skills on your tree.

clawsin was prime candidate because of

Stonefist

Stonefist
Assassin Claws
'SilQor'
Runeword Level: 100
+5-10 Damage per Character Level Above 138
5% Chance to cast level 7 Thunder Wave on Melee Attack
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
Adds 105-160 Damage
(10 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+200% Enhanced Damage
10% Deadly Strike
-50 to Dexterity
+(100 to 125) to Vitality
Physical Resist -5%
Cannot Be Frozen

and a nice shield option with

The Doom Gong of Xiansai

The Doom Gong of Xiansai
Aspis (Sacred)
Defense: (3146 - 3539) to (3672 - 4131)
Chance to Block: 5%
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 550
Required Dexterity: 559
Item Level: 105
2% Chance to cast level 12 Thunder Slam on Melee Attack
1% Base Block Chance
Adds (10 to 40)-(50 to 100) Damage
(10 to 20)% Life stolen per Hit
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
20% to Dexterity
Socketed (4)

Other candidates worth trying:
Bear, Barb and Pal, imo but nothing will come close to Stonefist on sin.

And you need to get out your calculator to not overgo on the flat sources and balance out gear EWD and flat with

Crystal of Tears

Crystal of Tears
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
Adds 3-6 Damage
+10 Required Level

and

Essence of Itherael

Essence of Itherael
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
Weapon Physical Damage +9%
15% Bonus to Defense
+10 Required Level

mostly.

Hand of Yaerius

Hand of Yaerius
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5 to Maximum Damage
+12% Damage to Undead
+20 Life Regenerated per Second
+10 Life after each Kill
+10 Required Level

and

Heart of Frost

Heart of Frost
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5% to Cold Spell Damage
Weapon Physical Damage +9%
+3% to Summoned Minion Damage
+10 Required Level

are nice options for pushing on jewelry, too.

Some nice non weapon items to push that:

Hammerfist

Hammerfist
Gauntlets (Sacred)
Defense: (1227 - 1450) to (1436 - 1697)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 105
Adds (1 to 15)-(20 to 30) Damage
5% Life stolen per Hit
+(15 to 25) to Spiral Dance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(30 to 60)%
+(120 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists +15%
Socketed (4)

,

Veil of Steel

Veil of Steel
Great Helm (Sacred)
Defense: 9260 to 9653
Required Level: 130
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
Weapon Physical Damage +150%
Hit Causes Monster to Flee +15%
+200% Enhanced Defense
+5000 Defense
Maximum Mana -50%
Socketed (4)

,

Hammerfall

Hammerfall
Setzschild (Sacred)
Defense: 14322 to 17124
Chance to Block: 4%
(Amazon Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 770
Item Level: 120
Deal No Lightning Damage
50% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Hammer Nova on Melee Attack
40% Movement Speed
Adds 25-75 Damage
20% Life stolen per Hit
Weapon Physical Damage +(120 to 180)%
+200% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists -25%
Socketed (6)

,

Snowstorm

Snowstorm
Bull Shield (Sacred)
Defense: (3466 - 3837) to (4194 - 4593)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 90
Required Strength: 500
Required Dexterity: 374
Item Level: 1
+2 to Barbarian Skill Levels
Adds 50-100 Damage
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
+(500 to 1000) Defense
Maximum Cold Resist +1%
Cold Resist +(31 to 50)%
Socketed (4)

Mount Arreat
(Barbarian Earthshaker Set)

,

Wind Runner

Wind Runner
Boots
'SilElqSilGul'
Runeword Level: 100
+(0 to 1) to All Skills
50% Attack Speed
10% Movement Speed
Adds 25-68 Damage
250% Bonus to Attack Rating
(12 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+(171 to 200)% Enhanced Defense

,

Akarat's Trek

Akarat's Trek
Light Plated Boots (Sacred)
Defense: (1960 - 2352) to (2170 - 2604)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 625
Item Level: 120
2% Chance to cast level 30 Hammertime on Melee Attack
2% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Wave on Melee Attack
2% Chance to cast level 30 Thunder Hammer Nova on Melee Attack
(10 to 40)% Movement Speed
+(15 to 20) to Charged Strike
Weapon Physical Damage +(60 to 90)%
+(150 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
10% to All Attributes
+10 to Light Radius
Socketed (4)

, ...

What insane knowledge of the mechanics. How did you even manage to figure all this out from just the video?
Could this be used with other oskills? Doom is not doing anything?

[Neyhanis]

What insane knowledge of the mechanics. How did you even manage to figure all this out from just the video?
Could this be used with other oskills? Doom is not doing anything?

He's just using Doom because its a phys assassin build. Doom should work just as normal and be pretty good even, but its not the doom mechanic itself providing crazy damage, but rather the IED+ED scaling (with UMOs) described before