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GregMXL wrote:Nice guide. I have a feeling you're going to be the owner of many guides with main skills that get end up getting nerfed to hell. :wink:


Even if it is nerfed, I would hope it would be lowered to more than it was before the buff (ND wise)
not an unbalanced build. Playing it you notice how it lacks.

Compared to barb and almost any other meta build its just as good as they are, no reason to nerf it just because its new.
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oh shit fumbles wrote a guide time for suchbalance to nerf Fumbles new favorite skill

in all seriousness though nice looking guide fumb. I have been playing some TW as well this ladder its a beast of a character and super super fun.
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shnurr214 wrote:oh shit fumbles wrote a guide time for suchbalance to nerf Fumbles new favorite skill

Exactly. True with blue.
I don't mean to dwell...but I can't help myself.
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Way to steal Chuck's build.

Great guide Fumles.

Could someone with more +max skill level charms than me test and see if 5 is still the minimum cool down for Idol?
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Very comprehensive, helpful guide i'm sure many will happily follow. Can't find the Tantrum section anywhere in it though.

+1.
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You really did well with this one Fumbles! I can tell that a lot of thought and care went into this... I'm definitely going to give it a try once I'm done with my assassin.
P.S. You have the best guide format on the forum! Very professional looking man! +2 :)
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for helm slot I think metalhead is also a good choice with its ITD. otherwise if u have enough ar from jewels then cold hunger is the best.
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I don't see a reason for using Metalhead. Attack rating isn't an issue after investing in dex to equip a shield and the availability of attack rating from jewels/gear/charms is substantial. The helm has nice defense, otherwise the remaining affixes are less than average when compared to other options.

I used coldhunger today in Tran and Fauztinville. Its nice for Necrobots and bosses but Natha is just too good. Fhr and ias are priorities and trying to roll those affixes on double mf jewels is very time consuming. The 10% dr, along with dr from other gear makes using Idol of Scosglen a choice instead of being a mandatory pita. To top it all off, the 10% arrow proc is very strong. Thorn Strike hits a lot, and arrow carries 1/2 of our phys, added elemental damages, pierce, crushing blow and can trigger itself. It also has room for 5 additional orbs over other sus, after orbing ed%. For general gameplay, Natha is hard to beat. I'll consider adding Coldhunger to the end game section but not until I've had opportunity to use it more and in other ubers/situations.