Poison Whirlwind Barb; A Comprehensive Guide (with 135 uber gear)

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How much IAS do we need for WW ?
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WARBANDIT30 wrote:How much IAS do we need for WW ?

The beauty of it is you don't NEED a lot of ias, but generally the more the better because it helps with your sustain.

I'm unsure how the ias works for a 2 handed swored in 1 hand. Speed calc says quite a bit, but just go for as much as you reasonably can without sacrificing too much psd.
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magz_ wrote:
WARBANDIT30 wrote:How much IAS do we need for WW ?

The beauty of it is you don't NEED a lot of ias, but generally the more the better because it helps with your sustain.

I'm unsure how the ias works for a 2 handed swored in 1 hand. Speed calc says quite a bit, but just go for as much as you reasonably can without sacrificing too much psd.


Whirlwind uses its own speed calculation that uses only weapon attack speed.

For one-handed weapons and two-handed swords, the fastest frame is (WSM-WIAS) of -34, which is 49 weapon attack speed on Blacktongue, 44 on a Demhe flail, and 24 on a Demhe war scepter. You can use Gul runes (or 15 IAS 4 psd jewels) and MOs for weapon attack speed.
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So I've been really unlucky in rune drops and don't have a Lew rune yet. I'm 113 and still using
Death Pit Stake
Death Pit Stake
Pike (4)

Two-Hand Damage: (8 - 11) to (23 - 35)
Required Level: 10
Required Strength:
45 to 48
Required Dexterity: 68 to 71
Item Level: 16
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
14% Chance to cast level 4 Arachnomancy on Melee Attack
15% Attack Speed
Adds (2 to 4)-(6 to 15) Damage
+(35 to 57)% Enhanced Damage
+(11 to 15)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(3 to 6) to Divine Judgment (Paladin Only)
Poison Length Reduced by 30%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Two-Hand Damage: (25 - 37) to (73 - 88)
Required Level: 29
Required Strength:
63 to 67
Required Dexterity: 88 to 93
Item Level: 32
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
16% Chance to cast level 17 Arachnomancy on Melee Attack
25% Attack Speed
Adds (6 to 15)-(21 to 30) Damage
+(81 to 103)% Enhanced Damage
+(16 to 20)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(7 to 10) to Divine Judgment (Paladin Only)
Poison Length Reduced by 45%
Requirements -(21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Two-Hand Damage: (72 - 87) to (171 - 199)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength:
111 to 118
Required Dexterity: 150 to 160
Item Level: 52
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
18% Chance to cast level 30 Arachnomancy on Melee Attack
35% Attack Speed
Adds (16 to 25)-(36 to 50) Damage
+(126 to 149)% Enhanced Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(11 to 14) to Divine Judgment (Paladin Only)
Poison Length Reduced by 60%
Requirements -(31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Two-Hand Damage: (83 - 96) to (265 - 292)
Required Level: 55
Required Strength:
205 to 218
Required Dexterity: 274 to 293
Item Level: 86
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
20% Chance to cast level 44 Arachnomancy on Melee Attack
40% Attack Speed
Adds (31 to 40)-(61 to 70) Damage
+(149 to 171)% Enhanced Damage
+(26 to 30)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(15 to 18) to Divine Judgment (Paladin Only)
Poison Length Reduced by 75%
Requirements -(36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)
as my main weapon. What's a good stopgap between them or is there one? Would
Viper Mandate
Viper Mandate
Maul (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: (177 - 199) to (196 - 221)
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 630
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
-3% Enemy Poison Resist per Snake Stance Base Level
30% Attack Speed
(50 to 200)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+50% Damage to Undead
+(140 to 170)% Enhanced Damage
+(8 to 12) to Snake Stance (Barbarian Only)
25% to Vitality
Maximum Poison Resist +(1 to 3)%
Poison Length Reduced by 50%
Socketed (6)
's 75% pierce be pretty decent or not worth giving up for the additional stuff on Death Pit Snake?

edit: I should say, I also have
Triune's Blessing

Triune's Blessing
Barbarian Shields

'VenSilVenSil'
Runeword Level: 100
+(1 to 2) to Barbarian Skill Levels
1% Base Block Chance
Adds 10-15 Damage
250% Bonus to Attack Rating
Adds 313-508 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+10% to Poison Spell Damage
-30% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(171 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
Maximum Poison Resist +2%
ready if there's a good main-hand solution til
Demhe

Demhe
Maces, Scepters
Except Hammers

'ZodLew'
Runeword Level: 110
Indestructible
25% Chance to cast level 55 Infected Roots on Melee Attack
+(126 to 250) to Maximum Damage
Stun Attack
+(172 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
+(39 to 45)% to Cold Spell Damage
-(39 to 45)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(39 to 45)% to Poison Spell Damage
-(39 to 45)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
20% to Vitality
+(51 to 125) Mana on Striking
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Also, thanks everyone who was involved in understanding whirlwind and then everyone involved in understanding poison. I've dreaded trying poison for so long but this build has been pretty darn fun.
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The Shanker
The Shanker
Dagger (4)

One-Hand Damage: (3 - 4) to (4 - 5)
Required Level: 1
Item Level: 1
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+50 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(12 to 35)% Enhanced Damage
-9% to Enemy Poison Resistance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (3 to 5)%
Socketed (1)
One-Hand Damage: (11 - 12) to (12 - 14)
Required Level: 18
Required Dexterity: 18
Item Level: 20
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+100 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(58 to 80)% Enhanced Damage
-18% to Enemy Poison Resistance
10% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (9 to 11)%
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: (26 - 29) to (28 - 31)
Required Level: 36
Required Dexterity: 49
Item Level: 40
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+250 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(104 to 126)% Enhanced Damage
-27% to Enemy Poison Resistance
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (15 to 17)%
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: (36 - 39) to (38 - 42)
Required Level: 45
Required Dexterity: 104
Item Level: 72
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+725 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(126 to 149)% Enhanced Damage
-36% to Enemy Poison Resistance
20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (18 to 20)%
Socketed (2)
or
Gehenna


Gehenna
Weapons

'ChamOhmLo'
Runeword Level: 83
20% Chance to cast level 32 Frozen Crown on Melee Attack
15% Block Speed
15% Hit Recovery
Adds 94-125 Cold Damage
Adds 150-200 Poison Damage over 1 seconds
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Damage
+25% to Cold Spell Damage
-25% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+25% to Poison Spell Damage
-25% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Maximum Life +5%
Maximum Mana +(23 to 28)%
Requirements -33%
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skrig wrote:Perhaps
The Shanker
The Shanker
Dagger (4)

One-Hand Damage: (3 - 4) to (4 - 5)
Required Level: 1
Item Level: 1
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+50 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(12 to 35)% Enhanced Damage
-9% to Enemy Poison Resistance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (3 to 5)%
Socketed (1)
One-Hand Damage: (11 - 12) to (12 - 14)
Required Level: 18
Required Dexterity: 18
Item Level: 20
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+100 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(58 to 80)% Enhanced Damage
-18% to Enemy Poison Resistance
10% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (9 to 11)%
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: (26 - 29) to (28 - 31)
Required Level: 36
Required Dexterity: 49
Item Level: 40
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+250 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(104 to 126)% Enhanced Damage
-27% to Enemy Poison Resistance
15% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (15 to 17)%
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: (36 - 39) to (38 - 42)
Required Level: 45
Required Dexterity: 104
Item Level: 72
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
+725 Poison Damage over 2 seconds
+(126 to 149)% Enhanced Damage
-36% to Enemy Poison Resistance
20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slow Target (18 to 20)%
Socketed (2)
or
Gehenna


Gehenna
Weapons

'ChamOhmLo'
Runeword Level: 83
20% Chance to cast level 32 Frozen Crown on Melee Attack
15% Block Speed
15% Hit Recovery
Adds 94-125 Cold Damage
Adds 150-200 Poison Damage over 1 seconds
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Damage
+25% to Cold Spell Damage
-25% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+25% to Poison Spell Damage
-25% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Maximum Life +5%
Maximum Mana +(23 to 28)%
Requirements -33%
.


Triune's Blessing already has added poison damage. Combining this with The Shanker will lower his overall poison damage. Viper's Mandate seems like an excellent choice if it can be wielded 1-handed with Triunes! I have never seen that weapon before, but you can really save a lot of headache getting -enemy poison with that weapon and up your damage substantially, far more than +poison damage alone.
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Siosilvar wrote:
magz_ wrote:
WARBANDIT30 wrote:How much IAS do we need for WW ?

The beauty of it is you don't NEED a lot of ias, but generally the more the better because it helps with your sustain.

I'm unsure how the ias works for a 2 handed swored in 1 hand. Speed calc says quite a bit, but just go for as much as you reasonably can without sacrificing too much psd.


Whirlwind uses its own speed calculation that uses only weapon attack speed.

For one-handed weapons and two-handed swords, the fastest frame is (WSM-WIAS) of -34, which is 49 weapon attack speed on Blacktongue, 44 on a Demhe flail, and 24 on a Demhe war scepter. You can use Gul runes (or 15 IAS 4 psd jewels) and MOs for weapon attack speed.


How would you calculate breakpoints with this?
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PeterHatEater wrote:
Siosilvar wrote:
magz_ wrote:
WARBANDIT30 wrote:How much IAS do we need for WW ?

The beauty of it is you don't NEED a lot of ias, but generally the more the better because it helps with your sustain.

I'm unsure how the ias works for a 2 handed swored in 1 hand. Speed calc says quite a bit, but just go for as much as you reasonably can without sacrificing too much psd.


Whirlwind uses its own speed calculation that uses only weapon attack speed.

For one-handed weapons and two-handed swords, the fastest frame is (WSM-WIAS) of -34, which is 49 weapon attack speed on Blacktongue, 44 on a Demhe flail, and 24 on a Demhe war scepter. You can use Gul runes (or 15 IAS 4 psd jewels) and MOs for weapon attack speed.


How would you calculate breakpoints with this?


Look at the other Whirlwind guide for an explanation.
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Siosilvar wrote:
PeterHatEater wrote:
Siosilvar wrote:
magz_ wrote:
WARBANDIT30 wrote:How much IAS do we need for WW ?

The beauty of it is you don't NEED a lot of ias, but generally the more the better because it helps with your sustain.

I'm unsure how the ias works for a 2 handed swored in 1 hand. Speed calc says quite a bit, but just go for as much as you reasonably can without sacrificing too much psd.


Whirlwind uses its own speed calculation that uses only weapon attack speed.

For one-handed weapons and two-handed swords, the fastest frame is (WSM-WIAS) of -34, which is 49 weapon attack speed on Blacktongue, 44 on a Demhe flail, and 24 on a Demhe war scepter. You can use Gul runes (or 15 IAS 4 psd jewels) and MOs for weapon attack speed.


How would you calculate breakpoints with this?


Look at the other Whirlwind guide for an explanation.


Thanks!! That's really useful. One thing I don't fully understanding is: do you need to hit the breakpoints on both 1h weps, or just one to get the benefit?