Median XL News, May 2025

Siosilvar wrote:
Maidstone wrote:Is there any chance to update carnage skills to 125% up from 100%
The Book of Kalen
The Book of Kalen
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: (3513 - 4471) to (3737 - 4757)
Chance to Block: 3%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 437
Item Level: 105
Dragon's Blessing Attribute Bonus Halved
1% Base Block Chance
30% Hit Recovery
+(20 to 40) to Carnage
+(120 to 180)% Enhanced Defense
+2000 Defense vs. Missile
Maximum Life +3%
Socketed (4)
has only 100% wpd Carnage , but in Necromancer tree is 125 and this shield reduce your Dragon blessing stats with 50% i think we deverse to have oskill buff as well not only in necromancer tree skill. Necromancer skill tree it's 125% wpd on this item is just 100% .

have you tested it? it is extremely likely that it got the buff but just has the old tooltip still - most oskills with different requirements to the original have a different skills.txt line and skilldesc (to have the different requirements) but will use the same missiles (which most of the time is what actually controls the damage)

This is precisely correct. Someone reported this to us and sb checked and they reference the same missile (and thus deal the same damage). That skilldesc is pulling from a different version of the skill so it's showing incorrect info.

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I’ve tried building an hmp setup too, and without insane gear, Retaliate just feels underwhelming in higher labs. You can have decent survivability, but your clear speed really suffers past T5 unless you rely heavily on support scrolls, which shouldn't be the only way to enable a build. Same with Earthquake barb—feels like you really need top-tier stuff to push it without dragging.

When I’m not grinding out these builds, I’ve been messing around with some digital games like i-Sabong. It’s kind of fun to switch gears and try something different for a bit without stressing over gear tiers or meta changes.

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Jackel6672 wrote:
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cnlnjzfjb wrote:
magz_ wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:
Siosilvar wrote:His problem is that Retaliate hasn't kept up with the powercreep of the rest of the game. Most of the "aoe" melee attacks have this issue - Parasite has gotten to be pretty okay, but when's the last time someone felt really good about using Retaliate? Earthquake? Noctule? Iron Spiral?

How about buffing EQ to 200% + 150% from 80% + 180% weapon dmg and Retaliate to 350% from 140% after reaching lvl 140? Then I guess we dont even need to change anything about their skill trees or gears to make holy melee pal and EQ barb better in late game?

I really think that hmp with Retaliate needs to be given 350% weapon dmg to behave good enough in t6+ lab if no passives buff or skill tree changed. I mean no super relics, no op scrolls, no op stone charms, ofc. Just a regular hmp using Retaliate, he has to have 350% weapon dmg version Retaliate to be an Okay lab farmer in recent patches.

Eq was actually nerfed for this patch because it was a little too strong. You're asking for it to be brought back to where it was before 2.10 so I don't think that's likely to happen. I never played a pure phys eq barb but I know it was nerfed for a reason.

Regarding retaliate;
1. Wdm is currently capped at 200 by the game engine. There's talks about trying to break that cap but I'm not sure what the progress is on that. It's a possibility for the future.
2. Retaliate is "supposed to" hit twice due to the stun/knock back so technically it's already more damage than earthquake if you consider the total % wdm of the 2 hits for both skills. How well that works in practice, especially when spamming the skill, I don't know.

Hmp is on my list of builds to play and push as it doesn't really have updated guides or anything, and I need to see how clunky his skills feel and if they're actually working as intended, or if they are why they're falling short.

I think hmp either needs a total rework, major itemization improvements, some qol adjustments, or some combination of the three.

All this to say he needs a little more work than there may be time for until next beta starts. Bandaid fixes can be deployed and personally I'm down for that but they'll only delay what he inevitably needs more which is a much more involved pass.

Thx, appreciate the work and reply very much. Im not expert on code or skill mechanism, glad to know Retaliate hits not once as it appears, but I can tell a bd strong or not by playing/testing it.

For EQ barb, losing the barehand bug is a big nerf for this bd. If not for scrolls/op stone charm this ladder, EQ barb has already fallen into t1-t1.5 bd in endgame(t6+ lab) after losing the bug, which means, EQ barb will be no longer a good option for endgame content in next patch 2.11 with no scrolls/op stone charm/barehand bug. EQ barb was strong before 2.10 because there was barehand bug. A regular EQ barb using no barehand bug was actually not that strong before 2.10, from my experience. So, in the coming 2.11 patch, with no barehand bug/scrolls/op stone charm, EQ barb clearly is no longer an option for me to play in endgame if no changes.

Hmp needs rework/buff, we all agree. But I really dont care, since I havent seen a really good strong build on pala for patches and dont hope for. Hmp can stay dead, it doesnt matter. Ppl got other bds to play.

Eq barb can do pretty much everything without being unarmed. Angelics are completely bonkers damage wise.
It just requires you to actually gear for endgame content. Which is perfectly acceptable.

What matters is always the efficiency. Ofc, I know eq barb can do pretty much everything, u right I agree, but how long does it take eq barb with endgame gear but no scrolls or halloween stone to clear t10 in 2.10? Did u really test it? I can clearly say that before 2.10, if eq barb didnt use unarmed bug, then he wouldnt be t0 in t10, he was much slower in t10 than those unarmed eq barbs. If no unarmed bug, eq barb falls into t1-t1.5 in endgame lab farming. So in the coming 2.11, I never say eq barb is not good, just not good enough for me to play in late/endgame. A passed bd by patch and by veteran players in endgame. I bet few will choose eq barb to farm lab to reach lvl 150 in 2.11. Ppl know what is strong and what is not.

cnlnjzfjb wrote:
Jackel6672 wrote:
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cnlnjzfjb wrote:
magz_ wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:
Siosilvar wrote:His problem is that Retaliate hasn't kept up with the powercreep of the rest of the game. Most of the "aoe" melee attacks have this issue - Parasite has gotten to be pretty okay, but when's the last time someone felt really good about using Retaliate? Earthquake? Noctule? Iron Spiral?

How about buffing EQ to 200% + 150% from 80% + 180% weapon dmg and Retaliate to 350% from 140% after reaching lvl 140? Then I guess we dont even need to change anything about their skill trees or gears to make holy melee pal and EQ barb better in late game?

I really think that hmp with Retaliate needs to be given 350% weapon dmg to behave good enough in t6+ lab if no passives buff or skill tree changed. I mean no super relics, no op scrolls, no op stone charms, ofc. Just a regular hmp using Retaliate, he has to have 350% weapon dmg version Retaliate to be an Okay lab farmer in recent patches.

Eq was actually nerfed for this patch because it was a little too strong. You're asking for it to be brought back to where it was before 2.10 so I don't think that's likely to happen. I never played a pure phys eq barb but I know it was nerfed for a reason.

Regarding retaliate;
1. Wdm is currently capped at 200 by the game engine. There's talks about trying to break that cap but I'm not sure what the progress is on that. It's a possibility for the future.
2. Retaliate is "supposed to" hit twice due to the stun/knock back so technically it's already more damage than earthquake if you consider the total % wdm of the 2 hits for both skills. How well that works in practice, especially when spamming the skill, I don't know.

Hmp is on my list of builds to play and push as it doesn't really have updated guides or anything, and I need to see how clunky his skills feel and if they're actually working as intended, or if they are why they're falling short.

I think hmp either needs a total rework, major itemization improvements, some qol adjustments, or some combination of the three.

All this to say he needs a little more work than there may be time for until next beta starts. Bandaid fixes can be deployed and personally I'm down for that but they'll only delay what he inevitably needs more which is a much more involved pass.

Thx, appreciate the work and reply very much. Im not expert on code or skill mechanism, glad to know Retaliate hits not once as it appears, but I can tell a bd strong or not by playing/testing it.

For EQ barb, losing the barehand bug is a big nerf for this bd. If not for scrolls/op stone charm this ladder, EQ barb has already fallen into t1-t1.5 bd in endgame(t6+ lab) after losing the bug, which means, EQ barb will be no longer a good option for endgame content in next patch 2.11 with no scrolls/op stone charm/barehand bug. EQ barb was strong before 2.10 because there was barehand bug. A regular EQ barb using no barehand bug was actually not that strong before 2.10, from my experience. So, in the coming 2.11 patch, with no barehand bug/scrolls/op stone charm, EQ barb clearly is no longer an option for me to play in endgame if no changes.

Hmp needs rework/buff, we all agree. But I really dont care, since I havent seen a really good strong build on pala for patches and dont hope for. Hmp can stay dead, it doesnt matter. Ppl got other bds to play.

Eq barb can do pretty much everything without being unarmed. Angelics are completely bonkers damage wise.
It just requires you to actually gear for endgame content. Which is perfectly acceptable.

What matters is always the efficiency. Ofc, I know eq barb can do pretty much everything, u right I agree, but how long does it take eq barb with endgame gear but no scrolls or halloween stone to clear t10 in 2.10? Did u really test it? I can clearly say that before 2.10, if eq barb didnt use unarmed bug, then he wouldnt be t0 in t10, he was much slower in t10 than those unarmed eq barbs. If no unarmed bug, eq barb falls into t1-t1.5 in endgame lab farming. So in the coming 2.11, I never say eq barb is not good, just not good enough for me to play in late/endgame. A passed bd by patch and by veteran players in endgame. I bet few will choose eq barb to farm lab to reach lvl 150 in 2.11. Ppl know what is strong and what is not.

I tested it, seems like the case in 2.11 will be a bit different with 2.10, since the tremor bug will be fixed in 2.11. So, eq barb can rise again in 2.11 by my test, but only this time, armed is better than unarmed.