Short Questions Thread

[ChuckNoRis]

Are there any accessible low lvl oskills? Im playing a lvl 45 bloodzon and having a hard time against magic immunes...lava pit aoe is small

you can get Apocalypse from the TU Magister for more AOE (it hits all screen but you need that from rare/magic boots too in order to be more efficient after level 60) . Replace with Brimstone or Pentagram later

[cowking]

you can get Apocalypse from the TU Magister for more AOE (it hits all screen but you need that from rare/magic boots too in order to be more efficient after level 60) . Replace with Brimstone or Pentagram later

Why would you ever use fire based oskills on a bloodzon? That is unbelievably stupid.

Are there any accessible low lvl oskills? Im playing a lvl 45 bloodzon and having a hard time against magic immunes...lava pit aoe is small

Why would you ever use fire based oskills on a bloodzon? That is unbelievably stupid.

[ChuckNoRis]

because they deal more damage and got more AOE without needing to go below 2/3 HP . stupid

[HechtHeftig]

It frees up more skillpoints for other skills, like Defensive Harmony or summon elementals --> higher survivability.

But I guess making anything chuck says look stupid without even thinking about it is the way to roll. GG

[ChuckNoRis]

It frees up more skillpoints for other skills, like Defensive Harmony or summon elementals --> higher survivability.

But I guess making anything chuck says look stupid without even thinking about it is the way to roll. GG

indeed

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[HechtHeftig]

You guys know what really is stupid? Criticizing/calling out a variance in skill usage in a game that encourages using different skills, and that multiple people support such a hypocritical action. Especially so considering that a relatively new player asked for exactly that because the existing skills weren‘t satisfying.

[cowking]

It frees up more skillpoints for other skills, like Defensive Harmony or summon elementals --> higher survivability.

Defensive harmony is a 100% core skill of any squishy zon build by default and is alloted 15p no matter what.

Elementals are the absolute worst way you could possibly increase your survivability (even if you did.. which you don't.. have space in your itemization to increase their survivability), considering bloodzon is the one build that wants to get hit.

Properly built bloodzon has almost EXCESS of skillpoints by default.

But I guess making anything chuck says look stupid without even thinking about it is the way to roll. GG

.. or maybe you should play the build (or at the very least understand the basics of it) before commenting? I was actually helping the poor newbie, you're just white knighting poop-tier advice.

because they deal more damage and got more AOE without needing to go below 2/3 HP . stupid

Why would you ever want to be above 2/3 life on a bloodzon that gets 25-30k+ life by default (tell me one sane reason that makes any logical sense)? Bacchanalia gives you a +280% ENERGY FACTOR DAMAGE BONUS to your spells. I guess you don't understand how energy factor works despite writing 38? guides for the game?

With ~500 energy your total damage multiplier from EF is ~ x2.8
With ~500 energy with blvl 28 bacchanalia under 2/3 you're getting x5.6
5.6/2.8 = 2 = !!! double damage !!!

This means losing 1/3 of your hp gives you equivalent bonus to +3.5k energy and +1k energy factor (meaning you can fully invest into vita for +6k+ hp). This means bacchanalia is the #1 skill on a bloodzon. You max it every time no questions asked. You want to be under 2/3 at all times, because you kill ~3 times faster due to increased AoE and damage and outclass any possible oskill variant in safety and killspeed.

magic missiles - best magic spell but worthless without 2/3 due to lack of AoE
balefire - weak late game no matter what you do
bloodstorm - best AoE fire spell but requires 2/3 for AoE and damage
lava pit - requires 2/3 for AoE and damage

This means none of the innate bloodzon spells are any good without bacchanalia benefit => logic => you're always going to be aiming for 2/3 hp even IF you went for oskills... which is idiotic because you're losing 3.5k energy and 1k energy factor. The only acceptable time to go full energy and EF on a bloodzon is the absolute supreme end game because you get way less returns from EF jewels / energy than a normal caster.

Then... in all your wisdom... you call me stupid and post random slvl pictures like it's some glass cannon imitation of a caster barb. Now I definitely know you've never played a bloodzon despite writing 3? guides for it?

You guys know what really is stupid? Criticizing/calling out a variance in skill usage in a game that encourages using different skills, and that multiple people support such a hypocritical action. Especially so considering that a relatively new player asked for exactly that because the existing skills weren‘t satisfying.

Cry.

[HechtHeftig]

So you‘re helping a newbie by calling his question for different possible (!) skills to use stupid? That‘s not helping. That‘s only called being a dick.

And now you finally gave some real advise how you‘re actually supposed to do when answering questions of newbies. Too bad that most of that applies to a lvl 120 zon. However the new player is level 45! This still isn‘t helping him right now. It‘s not even answering his question to begin with, since chuck did that already.

And don‘t worry, I‘ve played this build often enough to be able to comment. Else I wouldn‘t do that lol. But guess what? There are multiple ways to play a single build. And you still didn‘t understand that your way isn‘t the only way. This game encourages using different skills and trying things out.

[cowking]

So you‘re helping a newbie by calling his question for different possible (!) skills to use stupid? That‘s not helping. That‘s only called being a dick.

No, I was helping him by highlighting poor advice and causing him to re-assess his train of thought.

Too bad that most of that applies to a lvl 120 zon. However the new player is level 45!

Everything I wrote applies to level 45.

It‘s not even answering his question to begin with, since chuck did that already.

Chuck answered his question by talking about oskills with 82 min affix level on a lvl 45 char?

Or are you perhaps referring to the slow casting apocalypse staff that is a truly painful way to level a bloodzon?

And don‘t worry, I‘ve played this build often enough to be able to comment. Else I wouldn‘t do that lol. But guess what? There are multiple ways to play a single build. And you still didn‘t understand that your way isn‘t the only way. This game encourages using different skills and trying things out.

Gratz, here's the happy participation award you get for making a build that dies to 4 hits and clears 3x slower.

[HechtHeftig]

No, I was helping him by highlighting poor advice and causing him to re-assess his train of thought.

I don't see any persuasive arguments in that post. "this is unbelievably stupid" is not an argument because there is no explanation as to why you think so. Even if you were trying to help with that single post, you didn't.

Everything I wrote applies to level 45.

I wanna see how you reach 30 k life on level 45. Same with 500 energy (With 5 statpoints per level and 32 sockets and elemental prism: 77*5 +10%= 423,5. But does it make sense not investing anything into str that early? That way you won't even have that many sockets to use and thus have even less energy) and 280% bonus energy factor from Bacchnalia.

Those are endgame values, not early game values, so please don't even try convincing me that "everything [you] wrote applies to level 45".

Chuck answered his question by talking about oskills with a 82 min affix level on a lvl 45 char?

Or are you perhaps referring to the slow casting apocalypse staff that is a truly painful way to level a bloodzon?

Indeed, I already tried using apocalypse staff. That was on a stormzon though, where I didn't even benefit from the additional spell damage from bacchnalia under 2/3 life pool. And still it wasn't even nearly as bad as you make it sound.

Gratz, here's the happy participation award you get for making a build that dies to 4 hits and clears 3x slower.

You're so entitled that you won't even see how wrong you are. You're a funny guy.