Short Questions Thread

Legendaire wrote:Just wondering how much class change we can expect for the next ladder release

Will druid reign early game and clear speed king?

Will barb get any buffs or major changes?

Sorry if this topic is irrelevant just delete it or something, thanks!

well ur topic was irrelevant so i just merged it here, this is the topic where u can ask such small questions.

as per the changes in chars, they will be announced when the patch is out so only 1 more day to go ^_^

Oh great. I'll read about the class changes from work, unable to play for several hours ;^;

I really want to start with Zon or Druid this season tbh, I usually go zon but went barb first last season and really regretted it hours and hours

I have never joined the forum but I found more people talking this season so I am more excited for this season than most

Thank you for your hard work mods & marco

soo ive been reading about the +999MO ..

for making a tier druid staff say

it seems like i should create unique enhc +2crystals..
then +999 ..
if success .. MO .. and fill sockets ... etc

if making RW item say a battle staff..
make supeior..
then +999...
if success... mo first cause of 350% limit then RW
cause 700% limit or some such,.. but the important thing is to add MOs first then the RW??

and yes i know about re rolling if 999 doesnt suceed etc...

NOw heres where i get lost...2 questions here...

i have TU1 druid staff. NAIAD .KING... that 999 mo worked on ..
now im ready to Uptier it to TU2

how do i uptier it so it gains the imporved tier2 stats and has/ keeps the +999 dble mo effect?
do i cyrstal+rune improved uptier it so its now naiad king TU2 and then +999 mo it ? since its techniclly creating a new item.. ??? if no success .. 2 arcane cystals + roil of enhance.. .. lather rinse repeat?? until success which brings me to my other question....
so say ive uptiered it and the first 999mo attempt with the TU2 item fails....
so now ive goot this TU2 naiad king staff that 999 MO has failed on

when i reroll it 2crystals +enhancment oil.. will it re create as a TU2 naiad king.?
and if so does that carry over..??.. I mean can I take a non tu just plain .... flamen staff (2).. and 2 crystals +oil cube it and get a TU2 naiad king in otherwords does the base quality of the item in terms of tier carry over??

and if ive understood this basically when i uptier my weapon from tu 2 >tu 3 or tu4 or whatever i stop on.. ill basically have a new item that isnt dble MO.. id have to re 999mo.. and if it doesnt work lather rinse repeat with the new higher tier.... 2 crystals + oil.. .. rerolls tu4.. into a new TU4(for example) and then try 999mo again.. etc..
sorry if that was long and confused im trying to synthiesize info from a few diff threads many now dead..

bradr wrote:soo ive been reading about the +999MO ..

for making a tier druid staff say

it seems like i should create unique enhc +2crystals..
then +999 ..
if success .. MO .. and fill sockets ... etc

if making RW item say a battle staff..
make supeior..
then +999...
if success... mo first cause of 350% limit then RW
cause 700% limit or some such,.. but the important thing is to add MOs first then the RW??

and yes i know about re rolling if 999 doesnt suceed etc...

NOw heres where i get lost...2 questions here...

i have TU1 druid staff. NAIAD .KING... that 999 mo worked on ..
now im ready to Uptier it to TU2

how do i uptier it so it gains the imporved tier2 stats and has/ keeps the +999 dble mo effect?
do i cyrstal+rune improved uptier it so its now naiad king TU2 and then +999 mo it ? since its techniclly creating a new item.. ??? if no success .. 2 arcane cystals + roil of enhance.. .. lather rinse repeat?? until success which brings me to my other question....
so say ive uptiered it and the first 999mo attempt with the TU2 item fails....
so now ive goot this TU2 naiad king staff that 999 MO has failed on

when i reroll it 2crystals +enhancment oil.. will it re create as a TU2 naiad king.?
and if so does that carry over..??.. I mean can I take a non tu just plain .... flamen staff (2).. and 2 crystals +oil cube it and get a TU2 naiad king in otherwords does the base quality of the item in terms of tier carry over??

and if ive understood this basically when i uptier my weapon from tu 2 >tu 3 or tu4 or whatever i stop on.. ill basically have a new item that isnt dble MO.. id have to re 999mo.. and if it doesnt work lather rinse repeat with the new higher tier.... 2 crystals + oil.. .. rerolls tu4.. into a new TU4(for example) and then try 999mo again.. etc..
sorry if that was long and confused im trying to synthiesize info from a few diff threads many now dead..

1. making it from t1 to t2 will reroll item and u will loose the double mo bonus.
2. when u make a tu using recipe, base quality does not matter.
3. yeah, u will have to reroll again and again untill u have double mo bcz it will be removed everytime u uptier ur item.

bradr wrote:soo ive been reading about the +999MO

Tldr

Any type of uptiering an item means rerolling so you will lose your Double MO after upgrading anyways. Also who would try Luck Trial on a Tier 1 item? The attributes are quite low and even Double Orb modifier can't help here if you are going to use the weapon till Destruction difficulty.

P.S. Also, some T6 Double MO'd items like

Sudis Murale

Sudis Murale
Glaive (4)
Throw Damage: (9 - 10) to (28 - 34)
One-Hand Damage: (9 - 10) to (24 - 30)
Required Level: 7
Required Dexterity: 65
Item Level: 19
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
4% Chance to cast level 4 Fortress on Kill
+(11 to 15) to Maximum Damage
+(31 to 50)% Enhanced Damage
(1 to 2)% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(21 to 25) to Strength
+(21 to 25) to Dexterity
(11 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (2)
Throw Damage: (28 - 31) to (66 - 79)
One-Hand Damage: (20 - 22) to (49 - 60)
Required Level: 25
Required Dexterity: 99
Item Level: 36
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
5% Chance to cast level 10 Fortress on Kill
+(18 to 25) to Maximum Damage
+(58 to 75)% Enhanced Damage
(3 to 4)% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(31 to 35) to Strength
+(31 to 35) to Dexterity
(21 to 30)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
Throw Damage: (66 - 73) to (148 - 168)
One-Hand Damage: (38 - 42) to (97 - 112)
Required Level: 44
Required Dexterity: 197
Item Level: 51
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
6% Chance to cast level 16 Fortress on Kill
+(36 to 45) to Maximum Damage
+(91 to 110)% Enhanced Damage
(5 to 6)% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(41 to 45) to Strength
+(41 to 45) to Dexterity
(31 to 40)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Throw Damage: (92 - 100) to (227 - 250)
One-Hand Damage: (53 - 57) to (154 - 171)
Required Level: 53
Required Dexterity: 391
Item Level: 85
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Dexterity)%
7% Chance to cast level 19 Fortress on Kill
+(71 to 80) to Maximum Damage
+(121 to 140)% Enhanced Damage
(7 to 8)% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(46 to 50) to Strength
+(46 to 50) to Dexterity
(46 to 50)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)

and

The Magister

The Magister
Long Staff (4)
Two-Hand Damage: 6 to 7
Required Level: 3
Required Dexterity: 8
Item Level: 1
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+1 to All Skills
+(11 to 13)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(11 to 13)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(3 to 5) to Flamefront
+(3 to 5) to Flash
Fire Resist +(16 to 25)%
Lightning Resist +(16 to 25)%
(11 to 15)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (2)
Two-Hand Damage: 13 to 15
Required Level: 21
Required Dexterity: 19
Item Level: 31
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(2 to 3) to All Skills
+(16 to 18)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(16 to 18)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(7 to 10) to Flamefront
+(9 to 12) to Flash
Fire Resist +(36 to 45)%
Lightning Resist +(36 to 45)%
(21 to 25)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (3)
Two-Hand Damage: 22 to 26
Required Level: 40
Required Dexterity: 43
Item Level: 51
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(3 to 4) to All Skills
+(21 to 23)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(21 to 23)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(13 to 16) to Flamefront
+(19 to 24) to Flash
Fire Resist +(56 to 65)%
Lightning Resist +(56 to 65)%
(31 to 35)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)
Two-Hand Damage: 27 to 32
Required Level: 49
Required Dexterity: 88
Item Level: 77
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
+(5 to 6) to All Skills
+(23 to 25)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(23 to 25)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(19 to 24) to Flamefront
+(25 to 30) to Flash
Fire Resist +(66 to 75)%
Lightning Resist +(66 to 75)%
(36 to 40)% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (4)

worth a bunch of TG/sk1 for them as they are powerful enough for the endgame.

The 350% cap applies to enhanced damage/defense and to break the cap you'd want to orb prior to placing the rune in the last socket.

Rolling an item to the next tier requires a crystal and a rune and removes the double orb bonus.
Rolling a tiered unique with two crystals and an oil of enhancement won't up-tier that item, it only re-rolls the stats for that tier and removes any orbs/orb bonus.

You could up-tier the staff by using just a crystal but all it does is increase the required level without improving the stats of the unique itself. So its not worth doing.

edit: ninja'd by stealth again.

Stealthmaster wrote:tl;dr

Any type of uptiering an item means rerolling so you will lose your Double MO after upgrading anyways. Also who would try Luck Trial on a Tier 1 item? The attributes are quite low and even Double Orb modifier can't help here if you are going to use the weapon till Destruction difficulty.

it was an example it could jsut as easily be TU3 and then TU6....

and from rishab "
1. making it from t1 to t2 will reroll item and u will loose the double mo bonus.
2. when u make a tu using recipe, base quality does not matter.
3. yeah, u will have to reroll again and again untill u have double mo bcz it will be removed everytime u uptier ur item"

okay so .. if i take a flamen staff (4) and i 2 crystal and oil of enhance will it turn into naiad king TU4 ??

or just naiad king TU1???

also unclear about one part of your answer..

if i have a naiad king tu5 ..lets say and i
fail my 999 mo
so i 2 crystal and oil of enchan.... to recreate and try again...
will i end up with a naiad king TU1?? that i have to uptier back to TU5 before trying again..
or will the tu5 +2 cystals and oil of enchant... become a tu (random X)
or dooes it become a naiad king tu5???

i ask this because on an old thread it talks about a axe(5) with 2 crystals and oil.. becomes.. some TU(5)
so i wondered if the (valueX) carries over...

and i never said nor suggested that rerolling would uptier....

as for post just made what is TG/sk1???
said its worth a lot .. sorry doont have my handy acronym guide

bradr wrote:
Stealthmaster wrote:tl;dr

Any type of uptiering an item means rerolling so you will lose your Double MO after upgrading anyways. Also who would try Luck Trial on a Tier 1 item? The attributes are quite low and even Double Orb modifier can't help here if you are going to use the weapon till Destruction difficulty.

it was an example it could jsut as easily be TU3 and then TU6....

and from rishab "
1. making it from t1 to t2 will reroll item and u will loose the double mo bonus.
2. when u make a tu using recipe, base quality does not matter.
3. yeah, u will have to reroll again and again untill u have double mo bcz it will be removed everytime u uptier ur item"

okay so .. if i take a flamen staff (4) and i 2 crystal and oil of enhance will it turn into naiad king TU4 ??

or just naiad king TU1???

also unclear about one part of your answer..

if i have a naiad king tu5 ..lets say and i
fail my 999 mo
so i 2 crystal and oil of enchan.... to recreate and try again...
will i end up with a naiad king TU1?? that i have to uptier back to TU5 before trying again..
or will the tu5 +2 cystals and oil of enchant... become a tu (random X)
or dooes it become a naiad king tu5???

and i never said nor suggested that rerolling would uptier....

tier of the item remains, the quality(broken/superior) does not matter. so a t4 will become a tu4. (same for any other tier except sacred that u cant make unique of)

Rishab wrote:
bradr wrote:
Stealthmaster wrote:tl;dr

Any type of uptiering an item means rerolling so you will lose your Double MO after upgrading anyways. Also who would try Luck Trial on a Tier 1 item? The attributes are quite low and even Double Orb modifier can't help here if you are going to use the weapon till Destruction difficulty.

it was an example it could jsut as easily be TU3 and then TU6....

and from rishab "
1. making it from t1 to t2 will reroll item and u will loose the double mo bonus.
2. when u make a tu using recipe, base quality does not matter.
3. yeah, u will have to reroll again and again untill u have double mo bcz it will be removed everytime u uptier ur item"

okay so .. if i take a flamen staff (4) and i 2 crystal and oil of enhance will it turn into naiad king TU4 ??

or just naiad king TU1???

also unclear about one part of your answer..

if i have a naiad king tu5 ..lets say and i
fail my 999 mo
so i 2 crystal and oil of enchan.... to recreate and try again...
will i end up with a naiad king TU1?? that i have to uptier back to TU5 before trying again..
or will the tu5 +2 cystals and oil of enchant... become a tu (random X)
or dooes it become a naiad king tu5???

and i never said nor suggested that rerolling would uptier....

tier of the item remains, the quality(broken/superior) does not matter. so a t4 will become a tu4. (same for any other tier except sacred that u cant make unique of)

thank yoou i used the word quality incorerctly then.. i apollogize if Tu stays same /carries over that helps and what does Tg/SK1 mean it was used up a few post

Also, why 999 MO? What kind of MXL version you're using? Because it's been renamed.