Sort of new player: Barb throw build, some helpful advice needed

Hi All,
I was around in the old old forum when Laz was around i guess, had to google and find out the new forums. (since life took me away for a while and its back again calm enough for me to break a few mouses or <mice> again :mrgreen:

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So I m starting with a rebound barb (some new ubers, and even an entire dual wield tree now! (in case this is not recent, then u know how long ago since i played MXL))
Skillplan (Barbarian, Median XL Ultimative XVc)

thought of something like this, Dedalus sounds fascinating, and with lion stance, should have phy/mag/light dmg to do with rebounds and one pointer skills for single targets etc...
not sure of what the new items, must check documentation again more thoroughly.
since this is after like 5-6 years my skills sure must be rusty, but wanted to really try out a lion stance rebounder with that dedalus skill.
any constructive/helpful advice? (currently in hatred in the cathedral - lvl 22 so only started using rebound now with thunderslam and a bit of titan strike & ice burst on switch)

and to those around that i recognize Marco, whist, ChuckNoRis, Stoya and some others i have not mentioned here, really humbled by the amazing way you've kept this going, and it is wonderful to be BACK!

Hello there Shinobi ,

First of all , why using tslam when you got stampede ? you cast it from a safe range , you don't need to go melee , so points in melee tree are ...pointless

Second , get the other stances at least as 1-pointers , they will prove helpfull in many situations .

Third .. no wolves+spirit guide and 1-pointer runemaster will make you suffer a lot in therms if defence , this unless you choose to invest a few more points to Bear stance (10 points are enough) and stance dance between lion and bear as the situation requires (more damage/more defence) . Maby get a crafted Kraken stance helm in mid-end game for MOAR elemental damage (magic immunes) .

As for gearing , in early game you may go for :

Deadfall

Deadfall
Heavy Belt (4)
Defense: (135 - 159) to (178 - 210)
Required Level: 7
Required Strength: 36
Item Level: 19
2% Chance to cast level 2 Shower of Rocks on Kill
1% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(24 to 46)% Enhanced Defense
+(16 to 25) to Strength
Lightning Resist +(11 to 15)%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (485 - 551) to (616 - 700)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 62
Item Level: 36
2% Chance to cast level 4 Shower of Rocks on Kill
2% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(69 to 92)% Enhanced Defense
+(36 to 45) to Strength
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (1270 - 1400) to (1595 - 1758)
Required Level: 41
Required Strength: 218
Item Level: 51
2% Chance to cast level 8 Shower of Rocks on Kill
3% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(115 to 137)% Enhanced Defense
+(56 to 65) to Strength
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (1918 - 2095) to (2403 - 2626)
Required Level: 50
Required Strength: 436
Item Level: 85
2% Chance to cast level 12 Shower of Rocks on Kill
4% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(138 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+(66 to 75) to Strength
Lightning Resist +(36 to 40)%
Socketed (2)

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Invictus

Invictus
Gilded Shield (4)
Defense: (293 - 346) to (598 - 705)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 14
Required Strength: 35
Item Level: 10
1% Chance to cast level 3 Gift of the Wild on Kill
Weapon Physical Damage +(15 to 30)%
+(24 to 46)% Enhanced Defense
+15 to all Attributes
Physical Resist 2%
Socketed (1)
Defense: (1029 - 1169) to (1897 - 2156)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 31
Required Strength: 70
Item Level: 31
2% Chance to cast level 7 Gift of the Wild on Kill
Weapon Physical Damage +(60 to 80)%
+(69 to 92)% Enhanced Defense
+20 to all Attributes
Physical Resist 3%
Socketed (3)
Defense: (2644 - 2915) to (4760 - 5247)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 49
Required Strength: 245
Item Level: 51
2% Chance to cast level 11 Gift of the Wild on Kill
Weapon Physical Damage +(90 to 110)%
+(115 to 137)% Enhanced Defense
+25 to all Attributes
Physical Resist 4%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (3984 - 4352) to (7140 - 7800)
Chance to Block: 1%
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 57
Required Strength: 490
Item Level: 77
3% Chance to cast level 15 Gift of the Wild on Kill
Weapon Physical Damage +(120 to 140)%
+(138 to 160)% Enhanced Defense
+30 to all Attributes
Physical Resist 5%
Socketed (4)

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Jitan's Kamon

Jitan's Kamon
Splint Mail (4)
Defense: (184 - 208) to (370 - 418)
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 30
Item Level: 19
2% Chance to cast level 1 Guard Tower on Kill
Adds 2-4 Fire Damage
Adds 2-4 Lightning Damage
Adds 2-4 Cold Damage
+(24 to 40)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 2%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (592 - 656) to (1106 - 1225)
Required Level: 23
Required Strength: 60
Item Level: 36
4% Chance to cast level 1 Guard Tower on Kill
Adds (4 to 8)-(8 to 15) Fire Damage
Adds (4 to 8)-(8 to 15) Lightning Damage
Adds (4 to 8)-(8 to 15) Cold Damage
+(58 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 3%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (1466 - 1596) to (2663 - 2898)
Required Level: 41
Required Strength: 210
Item Level: 51
6% Chance to cast level 1 Guard Tower on Kill
Adds (16 to 30)-(31 to 45) Fire Damage
Adds (16 to 30)-(31 to 45) Lightning Damage
Adds (16 to 30)-(31 to 45) Cold Damage
+(92 to 109)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 4%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (2175 - 2352) to (3925 - 4244)
Required Level: 49
Required Strength: 420
Item Level: 85
8% Chance to cast level 1 Guard Tower on Kill
Adds (31 to 60)-(81 to 120) Fire Damage
Adds (31 to 60)-(81 to 120) Lightning Damage
Adds (31 to 60)-(81 to 120) Cold Damage
+(109 to 126)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 5%
Socketed (6)

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Rockshatter

Rockshatter
Balanced Axe (4)
Throw Damage: (14 - 16) to (27 - 39)
One-Hand Damage: (3 - 4) to (19 - 29)
Required Level: 6
Required Strength: 77
Item Level: 19
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
1% Chance to cast level 7 Blast Wave on Kill
+(11 to 20) to Maximum Damage
3% Life stolen per Hit
+(18 to 40)% Enhanced Damage
(2 to 3)% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(19 to 30)%
+(16 to 25) to Strength
Socketed (2)
Throw Damage: (34 - 39) to (66 - 82)
One-Hand Damage: (11 - 13) to (47 - 59)
Required Level: 24
Required Strength: 115
Item Level: 36
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
2% Chance to cast level 19 Blast Wave on Kill
+(21 to 30) to Maximum Damage
6% Life stolen per Hit
+(64 to 86)% Enhanced Damage
(4 to 6)% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(43 to 54)%
+(36 to 45) to Strength
Socketed (4)
Throw Damage: (100 - 111) to (156 - 179)
One-Hand Damage: (29 - 32) to (97 - 114)
Required Level: 43
Required Strength: 225
Item Level: 59
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
2% Chance to cast level 31 Blast Wave on Kill
+(31 to 40) to Maximum Damage
9% Life stolen per Hit
+(109 to 132)% Enhanced Damage
(7 to 9)% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(67 to 78)%
+(56 to 65) to Strength
Socketed (5)
Throw Damage: (150 - 165) to (208 - 232)
One-Hand Damage: (37 - 40) to (126 - 143)
Required Level: 53
Required Strength: 445
Item Level: 85
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
3% Chance to cast level 37 Blast Wave on Kill
+(41 to 50) to Maximum Damage
12% Life stolen per Hit
+(132 to 154)% Enhanced Damage
(10 to 12)% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +(79 to 90)%
+(66 to 75) to Strength
Socketed (6)

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Nasrudin

Nasrudin
Barbarian Helms
'ZodTaha'
Runeword Level: 100
80% Combat Speeds
+(9 to 15) to Cautious Strike
+200% Enhanced Defense
+(251 to 300) to Dexterity
+15 Life after each Kill
(26 to 32)% Gold Find

. For gloves and boots there are multiple choices , suiting your needs .

Good Luck !

Thank you for the suggestions.
if i switch to stampede and rebound wont bear stance lock them out? maybe you meant with Tslam and other melee skills...
anyway, stampede sounds right, would it help if i put a few points in rune master? for defense. i can see how wolf stance can come in handy for a quick getaway or eagle for a bit of regen etc...
did not want to go wolves/spirit guide and instead opted for dedalus (more life+lightning dmg sounds good)

that gear options sounds great (personally i so loved Blast Wave over any other skill visually) traditionally, most players would smax snake and eagle for a rebounder (from my past experience) so i wanted to go lion stance for the physical and magic damage with the now awesome added life and lightning dmg i can do with the new dedalus skill.
but yeah defense is a must, immortal may save me, but let me know if a few more points into runemaster would do the trick, any other helpful suggestions on specific stuff from your experience would help too. (man, i had forgotten how i loved this mod)

Shinobi wrote:if i switch to stampede and rebound wont bear stance lock them out?

yes , bears stance locks them out , but you can stance switch : attack with lion stance -> take hits with bear stance on -> blink away from danger -> attack with lion stance . indeed you can't range attack with bear stance on but it will keep you safe untill you can get to a safe spot .

more points into runemaster are ok too (i'd max it) if you don't want to stance dance to bear stance , but still , you will need armors with high base defence to benefit from that %TCD/rune and get to 5% chance to be hit . you also get negative damage reduction with lion stance on , so every hit will be painfull (must also go for Damage reduction gear - the TU body armor and shield are enough for early game ) - i assume you also go full strength for more lion stace damage .

Shinobi wrote:traditionally, most players would smax snake and eagle for a rebounder

yes , there's the Floki miniguide in my compilation for that

Yes full strength.
will look into dmg reduction, ought to offset the 25% more dmg from lion stance right?
so far so good, let me get into the 90s and look for more proper gear.

well you can update the early gear to

Erawan

Erawan
Body Armors
'LemKoCham'
Runeword Level: 83
15% Combat Speeds
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
(27 to 30)% to Strength
(27 to 30)% to Vitality
Physical Resist (13 to 15)%
(15 to 20)% Bonus to Defense

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Truce

Truce
Belts
'Jah'
Runeword Level: 80
5% Combat Speeds
Stun Attack
Slows Attacker by 5%
+(172 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 10%

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Nephilim

Nephilim
Boots
'ZodThul'
Runeword Level: 85
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
+150 Defense
+50 to Strength
(21 to 25)% to Strength
+50 to Vitality
(21 to 25)% to Vitality
Cold Resist +25%
+15 Life after each Kill

, crafted helm with kraken stance oskill , keep TU invictus shield ,

Raptor

Raptor
Throwing Axes
'ZodSurLemEl'
Runeword Level: 85
(Barbarian Only)
3% Chance to cast level 60 Thunder Slam on Kill
-19% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(6 to 11) to Snake Stance (Barbarian Only)
+3 to all Attributes
5% to Vitality
Maximum Life +3%
Regenerate Mana +15%
+115 Life after each Kill

(double MO) ,

Icarus

for high frw , so you may ditch Wolf stance and change to

Yaerius' Mediation

Yaerius' Mediation
Light Gauntlets (Sacred)
Defense: 336 to 410
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 600
Item Level: 1
+(0 to 1) to Paladin Skill Levels
+(16 to 20)% to Spell Damage
-200 Defense
(16 to 20)% to Strength
Elemental Resists +20%
Socketed (4)

Yaerius' Grey Omen
(Paladin Neutral Set)

set gloves when you find them (1 more LoS and %str ) . those gear parts are not so hard to get

let me know when you reach end game

i'll be glad to share some toughts on that part of gearing too .

Good luck !

wow, the first three are really good and quite available runes.
fantastic, yeah, once i m done with the necessary challenges and gone through terror, i will be back for more feedback

plus i would know atleast in part know how well my skill choices were

Shinobi wrote: the first three are really good and quite available runes

all of them are

. the Raptor RW (req lvl 90 ) will also provide a serious boost

the proc is great , the damage is ok , and the 1 LoS is ..is... :shock:

i wonder, would it be worth maxing out rebound? or leave it at a 10-15 pts?

15 points are enough imo . the other points can go in better places instead of investing them for maxing the skill .