So tired of summoning minions...

[deathshower]

I recently leveled my 4th character, a sorceress, to level 120 because I recently completed my Warmage set and wanted to try it out. I decided to go with Marco's Tanya guide because I really enjoyed playing fire/ice sorc in D2LOD. I had a great time leveling up and from very early on I made sure to always have 25% to minion resists to benefit my ice elementals. It is stated in the guide that in Terror/Destruction that the minions need 75% resists and I just don't know how to reasonably get to that number without sacrificing A LOT of my MO space and sockets. Also, I don't even know if it is worth it in today's meta. I really like my ice elementals because they give an amazing amount of utility but I am SO sick of summoning them nonstop. Does anyone have some advice? Thank you.

[RollsRoyce]

summon minion resists doesnt work; on destruction they have -100% to all resists except for cold and 25% dr - i think this explains your thought

[Stealthmaster]

Stacking minions resist on Destruction makes no sense, even if you reach 75% in total (beating the penalty), minions will still receive elemental damage.

see LFAQ:

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Q: What are the minions' base resists?
A: Every minion gains +15% to all resistances per skill level, capping at +75% at level 5. Items with +% minion resists, as well as curses with -% resists, are applied at the end.
Totems are the exception, they have 0% base resists at all levels and difficulties, and do not benefit from +% minion resists. Lower Resist affects them, though.

So, in destruction there's a -100% minion res penalty. You can get max 75% from items, and +15% from skill levels up to a max 75% (lvl 5). So in total they'll have 50% in Destruction. 75% is the cap for minions. You'll have to get the last 25% from some other source (buff/aura), if I'm correct.

[RollsRoyce]

Stacking minions resist on Destruction makes no sense, even if you reach 75% in total (beating the penalty), minions will still receive elemental damage.

see LFAQ:

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Q: What are the minions' base resists?
A: Every minion gains +15% to all resistances per skill level [which is wrong], capping at +75% at level 5. Items with +% minion resists [the stat does not work], as well as curses with -% resists, are applied at the end.
Totems are the exception, they have 0% base resists at all levels and difficulties, and do not benefit from +% minion resists. Lower Resist affects them, though.

So, in destruction there's a -100% minion res penalty. You can get max 75% from items, and +15% from skill levels up to a max 75% (lvl 5). So in total they'll have 50% in Destruction. 75% is the cap for minions. You'll have to get the last 25% from some other source (buff/aura), if I'm correct. [NAH!]

Its 0 in hatred -40% in terror and -100% in dest and you can only change this by applying buffs/auras


According to skills.txt it should be as written in the lfaq but it just doesnt work

[suchbalance]

Are you trying to say that the 75% base for minions (from lvl 5) does not work? Have you actually tested it in practice or are you just basing that off a mh reading? The reason I ask is because that value could be stored at a different memory address, that the mh does not read and so cannot see, and yet works in a hardcoded way. Same reason why d2stats does not read the effective speeds for example.

[RollsRoyce]

you can test it yourself with the aura of champions of the sun? go to terror difficulty and add the required amount of minion resists to make them immune, and they never will. And yes you are right - no maphack displays those resists as well.

I didnt do any dmg tests though - but until then theres more proof for it to actually not work than for it to work

[suchbalance]

Or by the same token it could be that the aura is broken instead

I'll try to run some tests tomorrow maybe. Would be an important piece of information if the lfaq is actually wrong about the minion res.

[RollsRoyce]

What skill deals an almost constant dmg, because i also really want to know if this is actually true or not.

SO what would be a reliable test scenario ?

Quote by laz from the old frozenkeep:

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Clarification on some of the more obscure changes in 1.52, out now:

Minion resists

All minions gain a resistance bonus from skill level, usually maxing out at +75% at level 5 and forever thereafter. This meant you needed just +25% minion resists from items to render them immune to elemental damage. However, in 1.51 this modifier was not working properly with most items, or most minions for that matter.

In 1.52, minions have -25% base resist all in Terror and -50% in Destruction. After calculating in the level-based resist bonus, the highest they will go without items is 50% in Terror and 25% in Destruction, making it a lot harder (but not impossible) to reach 100%.

However, the minion resists now work properly. In 1.51, some minions were stuck at 0% forever, some had negative resistances, and others were all over the place. The +% to minion resistances modifier wasn't working properly either if you weapon switched, and it didn't affect some minions at all.

In the end, barbarians and necromancers suffer a bit, but amazons, druids and sorceresses benefit greatly.

edit: I just test by dmg - in hatred - i used 2 chars in pvp one zon that summoned 1 fire elemental and i added minion resists and checked dmg. And by adding 25% in hatred i indeed coulndt dmg that minion with elemental skills.

So to sum up: (and this should probably go to the lfaq to prevent confusion)

Minion resists indeed do work - but the immunities are not displayed by any maphack or the game itself!



And the formula for the total minion resist:

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min(dm12,75)+min((stat('minion_resist_all'.accr)),75)

Every minion should have poison/fire/ice/light AND Magic resists

[Marco]

So to sum up: (and this should probably go to the lfaq to prevent confusion)

Minion resists indeed do work - but the immunities are not displayed by any maphack or the game itself!

This is known and stated in the LFAQs for several years now. Only people that get confused are the ones using hacky maphacks

* Minions cannot become elementally immune from the '+%minion resists' item modifier. (*1) (*2)
They can become immune with the addition of auras/buffs/etc.
* Note: Assassin's Bat(strike) Familiars are the exception to this rule.
They can become elementally immune from +% 'minion resist' gear only; even on Destruction difficulty.
It's a unique feature of theirs.
(*1) With the exception of Hatred. In Hatred, an slvl 5+ minion can become elementally immune with +25% minion resists.
Note, however, that this immunity is invisible, and won't show up on the minion.
Minions under slvl 5 are trickier, so I'm not going into that

(*2) As of MXL 1.A9, slvl 5+ minions can also become elementally immune in Terror.
Note: Verified, thanks to terryys.

[deathshower]

Thank you everybody for responding.