SSF Bowzon

Vatiel wrote:
You actually wanna get 2 sleep charms just so u can buff with extra +spell damage from qouv tsin sleep upgrade
then switch to nephalem sleep upgrade, getting to 200% spell damage is key for elemental bowzon in fact...
then u want to focus on dex+deadly strike+innate+ all your other necessities

i can use both qouv tsin charm and nephalem charm with sleep upgraded at the same time?

Vatiel wrote:
Spell damage aint working with WDM skills , it increases tooltip damage but that bonus damage from spell dmg counts only for melee swing attacks.

thats odd cause I just tested it... again, and it clearly works with stag bow, alot of pple use spell damage only gear with elemental bow too
and not because their damage isn't boosted by it lol, but because it's easier to get damage from that source as opposed to dex gear in the early game

it doesnt make sense that it works with innate damage melee weapons
but not innate damage ranged weapons either

You actually wanna get 2 sleep charms just so u can buff with extra +spell damage from qouv tsin sleep upgrade
then switch to nephalem sleep upgrade, getting to 200% spell damage is key for elemental bowzon in fact...
then u want to focus on dex+deadly strike+innate+ all your other necessities

Dont believe the lying character screen, and ds only works with weapon physical damage, before conversion, if you use a skill that has any.

Vatiel wrote:
Spell damage aint working with WDM skills , it increases tooltip damage but that bonus damage from spell dmg counts only for melee swing attacks.

thats odd cause I just tested it... again, and it clearly works with stag bow, alot of pple use spell damage only gear with elemental bow too
and not because their damage isn't boosted by it lol, but because it's easier to get damage from that source as opposed to dex gear in the early game

it doesnt make sense that it works with innate damage melee weapons
but not innate damage ranged weapons either

...
then u want to focus on dex+deadly strike+innate+ all your other necessities

It is not a question of it making sense, it is a question of the diablo2 engine. Spell damage has always worked with flat damage sources on melee attacks and not on ranged attacks, even in vanilla diablo2. That is why melee sorcs using the enchant skill were a thing but bow sorcs using the enchant skill were not.

But since you claimed that you tested it, I was swayed and tested it myself too.

I wasted a belladona, respecced my druid and tried the following:
I punched monsters in nightmare bloodmoor in melee and with the throwing attack using a sacred throwing axe and also shot them with a sacred maple bow without having points in any skills.
Then i put 27 points into pagan rites, giving me 135% spell damage. The tooltip damages (both melee and ranged) went up as expected.
Back in the bloodmoor, monsters were still taking the same amount of hits to kill with ranged attacks.
On melee attacks, however, everything was dying with one hit now.
This is clear evidence that spell damage does not scale innate elemental damage on ranged attacks.
On melee attacks, i am unsure whether it scales innate ele dmg or just the flat ele dmg also contained on the weapon.

Also, deadly strike does not work with innate ele dmg according to devs. I'm not gonna test this, because it is too much work to isolate deadly strike on gear/skills.

Splargh wrote:
It is not a question of it making sense, it is a question of the diablo2 engine. Spell damage has always worked with flat damage sources on melee attacks and not on ranged attacks, even in vanilla diablo2.

Btw this interaction is not intended, its a bug, and i expect it to be gone in 2.0

Well as of right now, it is working for elemental stag bow...

Im kind of tired of reiterating the same things over and over again,

sometimes it appears it doesnt work, then it does work, there are some bugs involved, but

it is clearly working for elemental stag bows, i have used spell damage equipment/buffs my entire playthrough

to gain increased damage, and deadly strike is hugely beneficial, clearly so for bosses, and all the late game farming,

and is an absolute necessity especially in labs when they get 50% absorbs to all elements.

It's even build into the game where the sleep upgrade from nephalem trophy gives ...

+%innate, and +%Deadly Strike

And its the most happy marriage I can tell you, again, personally : D

At this point im not sure if you are just stupid or trolling.

Vatiel wrote:Well as of right now, it is working for elemental stag bow...

Im kind of tired of reiterating the same things over and over again,

sometimes it appears it doesnt work, then it does work, there are some bugs involved, but

it is clearly working for elemental stag bows, i have used spell damage equipment/buffs my entire playthrough

to gain increased damage, and deadly strike is hugely beneficial, clearly so for bosses, and all the late game farming,

and is an absolute necessity especially in labs when they get 50% absorbs to all elements.

It's even build into the game where the sleep upgrade from nephalem trophy gives ...

+%innate, and +%Deadly Strike

And its the most happy marriage I can tell you, again, personally : D

deadly strike doubles physical damage before any conversion of the skill or factoring % wdm of the skill. since you're elemental based and dealing no physical damage, that's completely useless stat.

spell damage does not benefit elemental damage from weapon. it's just a bug with how the damage is displayed on your character sheet. you can clearly check in d2stats to see that increases in spell damage do not apply to your elemental damage panel.

having it "built into the nephalem trophy" does not mean the stats are a match together. it just happens to be that way to provide bonuses to a broader selection of builds.

what else can I help you with clarifying? i spent majority of my time playing this season crafting an ied bowzon with a friend, we've explored pretty much every option to optimize both defenses, hp, damage, and speed to find the best fits.

alright well ill be busy progressing high labs with my zon guys xD

idk what to tell you, every time I test it the results are the same

Ive done all the builds, all the different combinations of equipment

Thats what works... and what Im using

I'm literally coming up on 3 million kills with this build

have tested every combination of skills/items/stats/charms with elemental bowzon

Thats what works

Firequeen

Firequeen
Morning Star (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 53
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 278
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
+2 to Amazon Skill Levels
+(15 to 20)% Bonus Elemental Damage to Bloodlust
20% Cast Speed
+(41 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
(21 to 25)% to Dexterity
(21 to 25)% to Energy
+2 Life Regenerated per Second (Based on Character Level)
Requirements -40%
Socketed (3)

Vision of the Furies

Vision of the Furies
Athulua's Hand (Sacred)
Defense: 2236 to 2331
Chance to Block: 4%
(Amazon Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 349
Item Level: 105
Fire Elementals Inherit Your Energy and Spell Focus
+25% Bonus Elemental Damage to Bloodlust
+75 Spell Focus
25% Cast Speed
0.375% to Fire Spell Damage (Based on Character Level)
+1000 Defense
(21 to 25)% to Vitality
10% to Energy
Physical Damage Reduced by 100
Socketed (4)

are the best buff sticks for this build and a simple way to notice the damage improvement

I'd like to dig into the mechanics more so and try to understand how everything fits together

But generally speaking it's really obvious after having tested it so many times already

Vatiel wrote:alright well ill be busy progressing high labs with my zon guys xD

idk what to tell you, every time I test it the results are the same

Ive done all the builds, all the different combinations of equipment

Thats what works... and what Im using

I'm literally coming up on 3 million kills with this build

have tested every combination of skills/items/stats/charms with elemental bowzon

Thats what works

Firequeen
Firequeen
Morning Star (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 45 to 53
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 278
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
+2 to Amazon Skill Levels
+(15 to 20)% Bonus Elemental Damage to Bloodlust
20% Cast Speed
+(41 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Life
(21 to 25)% to Dexterity
(21 to 25)% to Energy
+2 Life Regenerated per Second (Based on Character Level)
Requirements -40%
Socketed (3)

Vision of the Furies
Vision of the Furies
Athulua's Hand (Sacred)
Defense: 2236 to 2331
Chance to Block: 4%
(Amazon Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 349
Item Level: 105
Fire Elementals Inherit Your Energy and Spell Focus
+25% Bonus Elemental Damage to Bloodlust
+75 Spell Focus
25% Cast Speed
0.375% to Fire Spell Damage (Based on Character Level)
+1000 Defense
(21 to 25)% to Vitality
10% to Energy
Physical Damage Reduced by 100
Socketed (4)

are the best buff sticks for this build and a simple way to notice the damage improvement

I'd like to dig into the mechanics more so and try to understand how everything fits together

But generally speaking it's really obvious after having tested it so many times already

Once you get to Lab15, can you do a video showcase with your elemental bowzon? Really curious about how it performs.

it actually performs great...

and if u want to know how to build it you can ask me any time xD

cause i've spent the last month figuring out how exactly to do it