Xbow Necromancer

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lazyknob
Azure Drake
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Rainbow2133 wrote:Hi guys! I was playing with a 1h melee nec. It was kinda okay, yet wanted something else. So I've remade him into xbow. Now, he seems even worse. Got everything "mid game guide" says and... what's wrong?


The mid game guide has 2-3 transitions/choices. Howabout linking your character. (https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/) to start with.

What exactly is 'worse'? Can't clear ubers? Can't farm certain areas?
Do you have your 400 signets farmed out?
Have you met with your %Hit Recovery breakpoints?
What level are you now?
Can you see what's wrong with your post now? Hard to provide anything specific if you don't give anything specific.
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berry117
Dark Wanderer
123 | -18
Skiz0 wrote:
AnimeWaifu wrote:
Skiz0 wrote:
AnimeWaifu wrote:
HeroicDose wrote:yeah i never really noticed damage to undead/demons make much difference on my other toons which is why i was thinking maybe metalhead could be better. would really need a number cruncher to get in and weight in since thats not my thing


150 ewd will not be noticeable since this build already has around 2k

Skiz0 wrote:
Propz wrote:Some rly good tips offered in here.... has helped tremendously... just kind of curious how people approach fauzt... I tried dumping leftover skills in Talons Hold for the slows target for necrobots as recommended as an option in the guide.... I'm using Rebel Xis/Royal Circ/Hwanin/Larzuk/Hammerfist/Wind Runner (sometimes Geleb/Maffer)/Ripstar/Rare ring/Athulas Oracle/Truce or crafted belt... everything MO'd with ed and such as well as socketed with dual leech jewels... and I still find find necrobots causing a lot of issues. I have over 25k AR, tons of leech and about 180k def (not sure how to make this much higher until better gear is found) but a few shots from necrobots ez's me. I try the usual widow/death shard combo but I feel fragile af...



25 k's AR low value!(check the canche to hi %. need's to be at 95% always)

I have arround 44,000 and fauz is so ez!


imo its not worth to get 95% cth, because of diminishing returns you will need to invest alot in ar

i think metalhead for farming beats all other options until you can get lotto weapon


Not worth to invest 95% cth? GG wp anime, you killed me.


For farming absolutely not, you need to sacrifice quite a lot of str/dmg to get 44k ar which is not worth it in my opinion, especially on a skill like widowmaker. Again, I strongly believe that metalhead is the way to go for farming, 95 cth for no investment is really strong and lets you focus entirely on building dmg, which is alot more than any other helm can give you. In the end you want itd on weapon ideally.


WTF, i speech about this with Grief ,and a pair of more top players and all goes with AR+str+ll/ml jewels and work's perfect, the investment is super low for what u get.



Who’s grief?
:)
YANGJuhong
Skeleton
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Eidolon
Eidolon
Helms

'Taha'
Runeword Level: 100
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+30 to Maximum Damage
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
20% to All Attributes
Elemental Resists +(31 to 40)%
Total Character Defense (21 to 30)%
+4 to Light Radius
is not bad for helm.
YANGJuhong
Skeleton
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Which one is better for uber boss weapon between crafted high damage crossbow and
Manticore Sting
Manticore Sting
Repeating Crossbow (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: (228 - 264) to (423 - 515)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 670
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.18 per Strength)%
-1% to Enemy Poison Resistance per 25 Strength
1% Chance to cast level 16 Bolt on Striking
+(160 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
+(150 to 200) to Maximum Damage
(200 to 250)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+1500 poison damage over 2 seconds
10% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(700 to 1000) to Life
+7 Life on Striking
Socketed (6)
?
absolutely
Hwanin's Hwacha
Hwanin's Hwacha
Dart Thrower (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: (279 - 305) to (332 - 358)
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 395
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.26 per Strength)%
Flametail Shot Only Gains 1 Projectile per 7 Base Levels
4% Chance to cast level 28 Flametail Shot on Striking
+3 to Necromancer Skill Levels
60% Attack Speed
+(170 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Adds 50-100 damage
Enhanced Weapon Damage +(31 to 50)%
+150 to Strength
-50 to Dexterity
Socketed (6)
is the best for farming,
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Waiting for your comments. :D
Edited by YANGJuhong 3 months.
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kortt
Lava Lord
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:scratch: :think: mediocre
Moasseman
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If you got a Hwanin and good gear, you can literally walk around Vizjun and never die because leech from the rockets keeps you up.

If you're still lacking some gear, I'd suggest avoiding the minefields because they hurt a lot.
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berry117
Dark Wanderer
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bugfree wrote:what rockets man ...4 rockets dont do nothing ^^ and im at 17 k hp 30k ar 7000-8500 dps ....think im good .....the build is bad with the nerf on Hwaninn....for bossing ok ....did kab, astroga ....np Nice ....but for farm 125 + i think in my opinion is dead


How many points in flametail shot?
What are your sockets filled with?
Are you using Geleb + Maffer?
What is your FHR 133 is must and 360 is obtainable.
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berry117
Dark Wanderer
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Sanya wrote:Question to those who have long been playing here is my necromanc
Helms
Idol of Rygnar
Idol of Rygnar
Mask (Sacred)

Defense: (2068 - 2350) to (2208 - 2510)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 540
Item Level: 120
+2 to Necromancer Skill Levels
25% Life stolen per Hit
Enhanced Weapon Damage +(101 to 200)%
Hit Causes Monster to Flee +1%
+(120 to 150)% Enhanced Defense
+(40 to 50) to Strength
+(40 to 50) to Dexterity
Target Takes Additional Damage of 500
25% Gold Find
+5 to Light Radius
Socketed (4)

weapon
Hwanin's Hwacha
Hwanin's Hwacha
Dart Thrower (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: (279 - 305) to (332 - 358)
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 395
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.26 per Strength)%
Flametail Shot Only Gains 1 Projectile per 7 Base Levels
4% Chance to cast level 28 Flametail Shot on Striking
+3 to Necromancer Skill Levels
60% Attack Speed
+(170 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Adds 50-100 damage
Enhanced Weapon Damage +(31 to 50)%
+150 to Strength
-50 to Dexterity
Socketed (6)
or
Advent of Hatred
Advent of Hatred
Dart Thrower (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: (272 - 355) to (465 - 608)
(Necromancer Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength:
1185 to 1580
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.26 per Strength)%
+50% Life Leech to Death Shards
+100% Bonus Magic Damage to Widowmaker
1% Chance to cast level 10 Bolt on Striking
30% Attack Speed
+(150 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Adds (60 to 100)-(250 to 350) damage
(75 to 150)% Bonus to Attack Rating
20% to Strength
Requirements +(200 to 300)%
Socketed (6)
depending on the location of me.
Weapon switch:
Shamanka
Shamanka
Long Staff (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: 56 to 58
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 203
Item Level: 105
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.1 per Dexterity)%
+(3 to 6) to Sorceress Skill Levels
45% Cast Speed
45% Hit Recovery
+50% Damage to Undead
+(21 to 25)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Cold Spell Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Poison Spell Damage
+(6 to 16) to Bloodlust
Maximum Life (31 to 40)%
Lightning Resist +(50 to 70)%
Fire Resist +(50 to 70)%
Socketed (4)

Body Armor :
Rebel (Xis)
Rebel
Body Armors

'ElXis'
Runeword Level: 120
Enhanced Weapon Damage +200%
+(172 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
+(151 to 200) to Strength
+(151 to 200) to Dexterity
-75 to Vitality
-75 to Energy
Elemental Resists +(60 to 80)%
+1 to Light Radius
Cannot be Unsocketed

Boot :
Wind Runner

Wind Runner
Boots

'EaEaEaEa'
Runeword Level: 100
+(0 to 1) to All Skills
35% Attack Speed
10% Movement Speed
Adds 37-70 damage
250% Bonus to Attack Rating
(10 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+(171 to 200)% Enhanced Defense

gloves :
Aiwass (Xis)
Aiwass
Gloves

'ZoXis'
Runeword Level: 120
+3 to Necromancer Skill Levels
+(44 to 50)% to Summoned Minion Damage
(21 to 35)% to Strength
+293 Defense
Slows Attacker by 5%
Level 78 Rune of Mana (12/12 Charges)
Cannot be Unsocketed

Belt :
Lilith's Temptation
Lilith's Temptation
Plated Belt (Sacred)

Defense: (3680 - 4089) to (4031 - 4479)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength:
0
Item Level: 105
2% Chance to cast level 3 Time Strike on Striking
+(170 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
-25 to all Attributes
(60 to 100)% Magic Find
Requirements -100%
Socketed (2)

ring :
Ripstar
Ripstar
Ring

Required Level: 60
Item Level: 60
+0.625 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)
+20 Life on Attack
and
Seal of the Nephalem Kings
Seal of the Nephalem Kings
Ring (Sacred)

Required Level: 100
Item Level: 120
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
(10 to 15)% to Strength
(10 to 15)% to Vitality
Total Character Defense (10 to 15)%
(10 to 20)% Gold Find
+2 skill
Amulet :
The Tesseract
The Tesseract
Amulet (Sacred)

Required Level: 100
Item Level: 105
+2 to All Skills
25% Cast Speed
+(1 to 30)% to Fire Spell Damage
+(1 to 30)% to Lightning Spell Damage
+(1 to 30)% to Cold Spell Damage
+(1 to 30)% to Poison Spell Damage
-(1 to 20)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(1 to 20)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-(1 to 20)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(1 to 20)% to Enemy Poison Resistance

Bolt :
The Tranquilizer
The Tranquilizer
Bolt Quiver (4)

Required Level: 60
Item Level: 80
4% Chance to cast level 40 Punisher on Striking
+(0 to 2) to All Skills
-10% to Enemy Poison Resistance
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
+50 to Strength
+50 to Dexterity
+2 skill
So the question is: tell me what you can or need to change? In the game recently, I did not quite understand everything. help me please :oops:



The geleb and maffer set combo is in my opinion non negotiable.
The benefits from the two piece set are very very nice.
There are many options for rings/neck
I personally only ever used 2x giant knuckle and Botsq or dyers, with bias toward dyers.
Iftk is probably IMO same level as botsq.
How many points in flametail shot, I think I put 21 or even 28 fucking points in it. You’re turned into a machine of war.
I also don’t use idol of rygar, people will argue all day that royal circlet isn’t as good.
Circlet is better, masks look like shit in game.
You want that lame mask or you want to see your gorgeous flowing white hair?

Many people will also suggest metalhead.
I’ve never used it and have sold every one I’ve ever had drop.
There will come a point when if you want ITS you’ll special lucky it on Hwanins.

Also for weapon swap I was under the impression TU grim wand and a shield all socketed with nih runes for the dark pact bif I think it is, is better than Shamanka.
Get a5 merc with Qarak.
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BoneSpear
Lava Lord
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How does Kronos compare with Hwanin for bossing? Someone earlier in this thread said kronos is okay. I have a hwanin for farming but having a lot of trouble with bosses 120+
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BoneSpear wrote:How does Kronos compare with Hwanin for bossing? Someone earlier in this thread said kronos is okay. I have a hwanin for farming but having a lot of trouble with bosses 120+


Kronos is just straight up better for bosses than Hwanin. Hwanin shines in (and only in) farming, altho it is still enough to do all the bosses with anyway.

I'd try to aim for a craft OR if gods smile upon you, a high-roll Buriza/Advent

Aether (JahXis) is also an option for bossing. While it lacks damage, it boasts 20% avoidance which goes nicely with our Death Ward