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hung9a91
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illusion wrote:ty for the guide!
can you explain why put 7 points in backstab rather than 1 ?
at 7 theres ~7 sec cooldown with ~1 sec cloak. rather than lvl1 no cooldown so u can keep attacking and getting many 0.1 sec colacks (+ added dmg to broadside)

I don't think that's how Broadside works. The damage of each knife depends on the moment you put the machine down. It's impossible to install the device while your cloak duration is less than 0.4 seconds. Besides, 0.1 sec of immortality doesn't mean anything. The combo would be: Backstab to get cloaked (about 1.9-2 sec) then quickly Broadside.
Another thing is that Backstab increases magic damage done by Broadside, so you would want to maximize the damage output.
Backstab has 7s cool-down, Broadside can get as close as to 7.2 s cd, hence we have the synergy.
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illusion
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hung9a91 wrote:
illusion wrote:ty for the guide!
can you explain why put 7 points in backstab rather than 1 ?
at 7 theres ~7 sec cooldown with ~1 sec cloak. rather than lvl1 no cooldown so u can keep attacking and getting many 0.1 sec colacks (+ added dmg to broadside)

I don't think that's how Broadside works. The damage of each knife depends on the moment you put the machine down. It's impossible to install the device while your cloak duration is less than 0.4 seconds. Besides, 0.1 sec of immortality doesn't mean anything. The combo would be: Backstab to get cloaked (about 1.9-2 sec) then quickly Broadside.
Another thing is that Backstab increases magic damage done by Broadside, so you would want to maximize the damage output.
Backstab has 7s cool-down, Broadside can get as close as to 7.2 s cd, hence we have the synergy.


ok now i get it, gotta respec and try it
ty :)
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illusion wrote:
hung9a91 wrote:
illusion wrote:ty for the guide!
can you explain why put 7 points in backstab rather than 1 ?
at 7 theres ~7 sec cooldown with ~1 sec cloak. rather than lvl1 no cooldown so u can keep attacking and getting many 0.1 sec colacks (+ added dmg to broadside)

I don't think that's how Broadside works. The damage of each knife depends on the moment you put the machine down. It's impossible to install the device while your cloak duration is less than 0.4 seconds. Besides, 0.1 sec of immortality doesn't mean anything. The combo would be: Backstab to get cloaked (about 1.9-2 sec) then quickly Broadside.
Another thing is that Backstab increases magic damage done by Broadside, so you would want to maximize the damage output.
Backstab has 7s cool-down, Broadside can get as close as to 7.2 s cd, hence we have the synergy.


ok now i get it, gotta respec and try it
ty :)


No, backstab bonus damage is properly applyed to broadside knifes DURING the cloaking time, it's not related to the weapon or the moment you use it in any way. The combo Broadside then backstab work properly. The rest is right though ! I recommand ~7 sec cd backstab so they can be used together.

As for the the reason as to why it's better than no cd is purely practical, simply put you have others things to do during broadside 7 sec cd than swinging backstab again and again. Even if the theorical sheet damage is better, you lose because you're doing nothing else. Not to mention it's way better in median to move around rather than keep swinging in front of the enemy the whole day... Also backstab is insane as a defensive tool, the immunity can really save lots of situation. With no cd (There were a whole season we had to play like that at endgame so I know) you have no control of it, you just attack and pray. It's terrible
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illusion
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illusion wrote:
hung9a91 wrote:
illusion wrote:ty for the guide!
can you explain why put 7 points in backstab rather than 1 ?
at 7 theres ~7 sec cooldown with ~1 sec cloak. rather than lvl1 no cooldown so u can keep attacking and getting many 0.1 sec colacks (+ added dmg to broadside)

I don't think that's how Broadside works. The damage of each knife depends on the moment you put the machine down. It's impossible to install the device while your cloak duration is less than 0.4 seconds. Besides, 0.1 sec of immortality doesn't mean anything. The combo would be: Backstab to get cloaked (about 1.9-2 sec) then quickly Broadside.
Another thing is that Backstab increases magic damage done by Broadside, so you would want to maximize the damage output.
Backstab has 7s cool-down, Broadside can get as close as to 7.2 s cd, hence we have the synergy.


ok now i get it, gotta respec and try it
ty :)


No, backstab bonus damage is properly applyed to broadside knifes DURING the cloaking time, it's not related to the weapon or the moment you use it in any way. The combo Broadside then backstab work properly. The rest is right though ! I recommand ~7 sec cd backstab so they can be used together.

As for the the reason as to why it's better than no cd is purely practical, simply put you have others things to do during broadside 7 sec cd than swinging backstab again and again. Even if the theorical sheet damage is better, you lose because you're doing nothing else. Not to mention it's way better in median to move around rather than keep swinging in front of the enemy the whole day... Also backstab is insane as a defensive tool, the immunity can really save lots of situation. With no cd (There were a whole season we had to play like that at endgame so I know) you have no control of it, you just attack and pray. It's terrible


i see,
thanks for the info :)

btw, does 1.9 sec cloack really help vs samael insta kills? fire nova, being outside penta, etc..cause some of them are long lasting
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illusion wrote:
i see,
thanks for the info :)

btw, does 1.9 sec cloack really help vs samael insta kills? fire nova, being outside penta, etc..cause some of them are long lasting


As the goal is not to tank everything but to survive, yes, immensly. If instead of getting one shotted by some fuckery (let's say bone spear source right in the middle of the penta while there's exploding orbs :mrgreen:) you get mid life instead because backstab tanked a few things, what can you ask for more.
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illusion
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Lynderika wrote:
illusion wrote:
i see,
thanks for the info :)

btw, does 1.9 sec cloack really help vs samael insta kills? fire nova, being outside penta, etc..cause some of them are long lasting


As the goal is not to tank everything but to survive, yes, immensly. If instead of getting one shotted by some fuckery (let's say bone spear source right in the middle of the penta while there's exploding orbs :mrgreen:) you get mid life instead because backstab tanked a few things, what can you ask for more.


good enough :)
now just gotta get my res and hp and i can try him
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Hey again,


I have a bit of difficulty figuring out the skill plan with
Black Ice
Black Ice
Halberd (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: 71 to 100
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 70
Required Dexterity: 558
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
Innate Cold Damage:
(45.0% of )
Area Effect Attack
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
+(10 to 15) to Assassin Skill Levels
-30% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(3 to 9) to Whirlpool
30% to All Attributes
Maximum Elemental Resists +(1 to 2)%
+(11 to 20) Life on Striking
Socketed (6)
... I though you might have some insight.

My current setup : https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=asszony (Please disregard Staff of Herding on switch, I normally go with Bloodlust claws)

Life is 17.5k, avoid 50%, survivability is fine in labs around t10, however my damage started to be lacking. So I am getting a better
Bad Mood
Bad Mood
Ring

Required Level: 100
Item Level: 120
-20% Cast Speed
Adds 50-100 fire damage
Adds 50-100 lightning damage
Adds 50-100 cold damage
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
as 2nd ring and will remake some eq and add
Periapt of Life
Periapt of Life
Mystic Orb

Cube Reagent
Cube with Any Armor to Add Bonus
4% Bonus to Vitality
+10 Life Regenerated per Second
+10 Required Level
to them as I can get those, as well as Uldy trophy.

As I would have Astrogha trophy (easy farm with switching to
Universal Law
Universal Law
(Assassin Psionic Set)

Quantum Bevel
Dead Lens
Hypersurface
Killing Vector

Set Bonus with 2 or more set items:
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
+20% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage

Set Bonus with 3 or more set items:
+150 to Energy
+500 to Life

Set Bonus with complete set:
+4 to Assassin Skill Levels
+15% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+60 to Orb of Annihilation
+1500 to Mana
Elemental Resists +25%
Physical Resist 5%
+100 Life after each Kill

set - Psionic storm) my pierce without bossing gear will be around 150.

For Bosses, I usually switch to
Queen of Glass
Queen of Glass
Ancient Armor (4)

Defense: (315 - 344) to (630 - 688)
Required Level: 11
Required Strength:
82 to 86
Item Level: 19
15% Cast Speed
-(6 to 8)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
+(76 to 125) to Mana
Cold Resist +(21 to 25)%
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (899 - 969) to (1718 - 1852)
Required Level: 30
Required Strength:
107 to 112
Item Level: 34
25% Cast Speed
-(11 to 13)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
+(176 to 225) to Mana
Cold Resist +(31 to 35)%
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (2084 - 2224) to (3911 - 4173)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength:
195 to 207
Item Level: 55
35% Cast Speed
-(16 to 18)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(276 to 325) to Mana
Cold Resist +(41 to 45)%
Lightning Resist +(41 to 45)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (3013 - 3202) to (5650 - 6005)
Required Level: 54
Required Strength:
373 to 398
Item Level: 90
40% Cast Speed
-(18 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
+(326 to 375) to Mana
Cold Resist +(46 to 50)%
Lightning Resist +(46 to 50)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)
as I have not yet had the patience to try and make a Natasha, however I am not entirely convinced that it is required at all, because with a +2 amu I'd be already at 90 F/C/L. Rolling a craft with 2 sk and 15% all attributes seems like a good alternative and that one I could use to increase Cold pierce which will be the lowest as I get close to 140.

Thinking on to add 3 set items (gloves, belt and helm) from
Henchmen Trophies
Henchmen Trophies
(Legendary Set)

Bilefroth Skin
Blackskull's Horns
Doomcloud Spine
Stareye's Claws
Fangskin Scales

Set Bonus with 2 or more set items:
+2 to All Skills
15% to All Attributes

Set Bonus with 3 or more set items:
-25% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Elemental Resists +25%

Set Bonus with complete set:
50% Movement Speed
1% Base Block Chance
+35% to Spell Damage
+5 to Blink
1% Reanimate as: Juris Khan, King of Ureh
+150 Life after each Kill

as it would also give elemental damage additionally to the pierce along with huge %attributes. Got the helm so far. :), but the rest will come later. Of course, I will have to upgrade the weapon for 15sk one as well.

What would be your suggestion to try and improve apart from these ?


Thank you in advance,

Cheers
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[quote="Fricc"][/quote]

Hello ! I am sorry, I have absolutly no practical experience with Black Ice, so as to how to deal enough damage, I'm lost too. We can only wait for a knowledgable soul to help.

What I can say for sure is that some charms need work, especially ghost trance that is not updated and wormhole that need to be vitality centred, because of thoses you putted points in str witch is urg... Also I don't know how many pieces of
Henchmen Trophies
Henchmen Trophies
(Legendary Set)

Bilefroth Skin
Blackskull's Horns
Doomcloud Spine
Stareye's Claws
Fangskin Scales

Set Bonus with 2 or more set items:
+2 to All Skills
15% to All Attributes

Set Bonus with 3 or more set items:
-25% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Elemental Resists +25%

Set Bonus with complete set:
50% Movement Speed
1% Base Block Chance
+35% to Spell Damage
+5 to Blink
1% Reanimate as: Juris Khan, King of Ureh
+150 Life after each Kill

is the best, but you for sure at least need the gloves.
Boots and Body armors look virtually useless outside of some vitality, but again as to what to use in their place...
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Fricc wrote:Hey again,


I have a bit of difficulty figuring out the skill plan with
Black Ice
Black Ice
Halberd (Sacred)

Two-Hand Damage: 71 to 100
(Assassin Only)
Required Level: 70
Required Dexterity: 558
Item Level: 120
Dexterity Damage Bonus: (0.15 per Dexterity)%
Innate Cold Damage:
(45.0% of )
Area Effect Attack
Orb Effects Applied to this Item are Doubled
+(10 to 15) to Assassin Skill Levels
-30% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+(3 to 9) to Whirlpool
30% to All Attributes
Maximum Elemental Resists +(1 to 2)%
+(11 to 20) Life on Striking
Socketed (6)
... I though you might have some insight.

My current setup : https://tsw.vn.cz/acc/char.php?name=asszony (Please disregard Staff of Herding on switch, I normally go with Bloodlust claws)

Life is 17.5k, avoid 50%, survivability is fine in labs around t10, however my damage started to be lacking. So I am getting a better
Bad Mood
Bad Mood
Ring

Required Level: 100
Item Level: 120
-20% Cast Speed
Adds 50-100 fire damage
Adds 50-100 lightning damage
Adds 50-100 cold damage
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
-(5 to 20)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
as 2nd ring and will remake some eq and add
Periapt of Life
Periapt of Life
Mystic Orb

Cube Reagent
Cube with Any Armor to Add Bonus
4% Bonus to Vitality
+10 Life Regenerated per Second
+10 Required Level
to them as I can get those, as well as Uldy trophy.

As I would have Astrogha trophy (easy farm with switching to
Universal Law
Universal Law
(Assassin Psionic Set)

Quantum Bevel
Dead Lens
Hypersurface
Killing Vector

Set Bonus with 2 or more set items:
+2 to Assassin Skill Levels
+20% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage

Set Bonus with 3 or more set items:
+150 to Energy
+500 to Life

Set Bonus with complete set:
+4 to Assassin Skill Levels
+15% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
+60 to Orb of Annihilation
+1500 to Mana
Elemental Resists +25%
Physical Resist 5%
+100 Life after each Kill

set - Psionic storm) my pierce without bossing gear will be around 150.

For Bosses, I usually switch to
Queen of Glass
Queen of Glass
Ancient Armor (4)

Defense: (315 - 344) to (630 - 688)
Required Level: 11
Required Strength:
82 to 86
Item Level: 19
15% Cast Speed
-(6 to 8)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(18 to 29)% Enhanced Defense
+(76 to 125) to Mana
Cold Resist +(21 to 25)%
Lightning Resist +(21 to 25)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (899 - 969) to (1718 - 1852)
Required Level: 30
Required Strength:
107 to 112
Item Level: 34
25% Cast Speed
-(11 to 13)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(41 to 52)% Enhanced Defense
+(176 to 225) to Mana
Cold Resist +(31 to 35)%
Lightning Resist +(31 to 35)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(21 to 25)%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (2084 - 2224) to (3911 - 4173)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength:
195 to 207
Item Level: 55
35% Cast Speed
-(16 to 18)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(64 to 75)% Enhanced Defense
+(276 to 325) to Mana
Cold Resist +(41 to 45)%
Lightning Resist +(41 to 45)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(31 to 35)%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (3013 - 3202) to (5650 - 6005)
Required Level: 54
Required Strength:
373 to 398
Item Level: 90
40% Cast Speed
-(18 to 20)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+(75 to 86)% Enhanced Defense
+(326 to 375) to Mana
Cold Resist +(46 to 50)%
Lightning Resist +(46 to 50)%
Durability -90%
Requirements -(36 to 40)%
Socketed (6)
as I have not yet had the patience to try and make a Natasha, however I am not entirely convinced that it is required at all, because with a +2 amu I'd be already at 90 F/C/L. Rolling a craft with 2 sk and 15% all attributes seems like a good alternative and that one I could use to increase Cold pierce which will be the lowest as I get close to 140.

Thinking on to add 3 set items (gloves, belt and helm) from
Henchmen Trophies
Henchmen Trophies
(Legendary Set)

Bilefroth Skin
Blackskull's Horns
Doomcloud Spine
Stareye's Claws
Fangskin Scales

Set Bonus with 2 or more set items:
+2 to All Skills
15% to All Attributes

Set Bonus with 3 or more set items:
-25% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
Elemental Resists +25%

Set Bonus with complete set:
50% Movement Speed
1% Base Block Chance
+35% to Spell Damage
+5 to Blink
1% Reanimate as: Juris Khan, King of Ureh
+150 Life after each Kill

as it would also give elemental damage additionally to the pierce along with huge %attributes. Got the helm so far. :), but the rest will come later. Of course, I will have to upgrade the weapon for 15sk one as well.

What would be your suggestion to try and improve apart from these ?


Thank you in advance,

Cheers


I had the same exact question as I recently found a Black Ice on my farming sorc. Tagging this just to see if any insight gets posted.
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so from my experience I've seen buddys set their black ice set up with either of these 2 set ups
Darkling
Darkling
Heavy Boots (Sacred)

Defense: (1677 - 1879) to (1776 - 1989)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 492
Item Level: 115
+(0 to 1) to All Skills
(5 to 45)% Movement Speed
(7 to 12)% Life stolen per Hit
+(6 to 15)% to Poison Spell Damage
-(6 to 15)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(141 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
-100 to Life
Socketed (4)

Astrogha's Moon
(Wyrd Set)
Angel of Death
Angel of Death
Amulet

Required Level: 90
Item Level: 123
2% Chance to cast level 33 Punisher Bolt on Striking
+(0 to 2) to All Skills
+(11 to 30)% to Poison Spell Damage
-(6 to 15)% to Enemy Poison Resistance

Astrogha's Moon
(Wyrd Set)
Viper Skin
Viper Skin
Belt (Sacred)

Defense: (2860 - 3204) to (3036 - 3402)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength:
354
Item Level: 115
30% Attack Speed
(51 to 75)% Bonus to Attack Rating
-(11 to 20)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Slow Target (3 to 8)%
+(141 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
Requirements -33%
Socketed (2)

Astrogha's Moon
(Wyrd Set)

OR
Angel of Death
Angel of Death
Amulet

Required Level: 90
Item Level: 123
2% Chance to cast level 33 Punisher Bolt on Striking
+(0 to 2) to All Skills
+(11 to 30)% to Poison Spell Damage
-(6 to 15)% to Enemy Poison Resistance

Astrogha's Moon
(Wyrd Set)
Viper Skin
Viper Skin
Belt (Sacred)

Defense: (2860 - 3204) to (3036 - 3402)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength:
354
Item Level: 115
30% Attack Speed
(51 to 75)% Bonus to Attack Rating
-(11 to 20)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
Slow Target (3 to 8)%
+(141 to 170)% Enhanced Defense
Requirements -33%
Socketed (2)

Astrogha's Moon
(Wyrd Set)
Fangskin Scales
Fangskin Scales
Greaves (Sacred)

Defense: 2481 to 2799
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 595
Item Level: 120
(0 to 40)% Movement Speed
+25% to Poison Spell Damage
-15% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+200% Enhanced Defense
15% to Energy
+50 to Energy
Maximum Poison Resist +2%
Socketed (4)
Poison Resist +30% (#s2)
Adds 100-150 magic damage (#s3)
+5 Magic Absorb (#s4)

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(Legendary Set)


both with 2x
Xorine's Ring
Xorine's Ring
Ring

Required Level: 80
Item Level: 80
+1 Projectile to Punisher
10% Chance to cast level 19 Punishers on Kill
(51 to 100)% Bonus to Attack Rating
Adds 25-75 poison damage over 1 seconds

with points into way of the Spider to max your poison damage
not sure if that helps!