The MedianXL 2017 v1.3 SP Miniguides Compilation

Queen of Pain and Tristan updated to Ultimative .

next on the list is the neutraldin

Thanks for updating!

Got a little question about Tristan:
Why aren't you putting 1 point into Deva King for 100% Retaliation? This should make the gameplay a little bit easier than Run toggle.
Furthermore it gives you 25 losim and "increased attack speed" - doesn't say the value.
Who cares if you are using that incredibly terrible Dragon Form or not, it's just 5 points "wasted".

Tristan is a clasical retaliator , not a hybrid .

i will add 2 or 3 (4?) more holy paladin builds this month , there you might find some use for Deva king .

Ah I see, I thought Deva King was just giving Retaliation a 100% proc chance.
Well it will be terrible using both then I guess, since you just push enemies away without getting a REAL Retaliation off for damage.

SMaxing retaliate for magic damage is just horrible. It only adds max damage, so the real average damage is halved.

This is further compounded by the fact that you can't dump STR because you will overflow to zero/negative damage with merkabah when you start getting +skills, which you'd know if you actually played this build.

Dumping points into lionheart for damage is equally wasteful, when you could boost VoR instead.

Lack of colosseum even as a one pointer is another red flag. How do you kill heroic shield bosses?

My guess estimate is this build would get ripped to shreds in dest fauzt (probably even dunc due to low health, with zero boss killing ability on realm) using the recommended end game setup. Not to mention requiring 10x stone runes with low health melee char in an area where leech is non-functional, with no mention on how to accomplish this.

Newbies, don't try this at home. Format is nice though.

Crowned wrote:Ah I see, I thought Deva King was just giving Retaliation a 100% proc chance.

It allows you to use retaliate without getting hit, as long as you are in dragon form.

i will provide answers to all your questions when i return home from work in about 2 hours. wall of text incoming

cowking wrote:SMaxing retaliate for magic damage is just horrible. It only adds max damage, so the real average damage is halved.

This is further compounded by the fact that you can't dump STR because you will overflow to zero/negative damage with merkabah when you start getting +skills, which you'd know if you actually played this build.

Dumping points into lionheart for damage is equally wasteful, when you could boost VoR instead.

Lack of colosseum even as a one pointer is another red flag. How do you kill heroic shield bosses?

My guess estimate is this build would get ripped to shreds in dest fauzt (probably even dunc due to low health, with zero boss killing ability on realm) using the recommended end game setup. Not to mention requiring 10x stone runes with low health melee char in an area where leech is non-functional, with no mention on how to accomplish this.

Newbies, don't try this at home. Format is nice though.

Crowned wrote:Ah I see, I thought Deva King was just giving Retaliation a 100% proc chance.

It allows you to use retaliate without getting hit, as long as you are in dragon form.

I agree,

also:

* Krys as midgame weapon -

* no Venom Sting mention even though this weapon is by far the best item for this build ( id even say that this weapon IS this build immortal due to leech, best proc in the game and insane dmg - yes plz)

you cant oversee that these guides are made in a hurry and dont provide expert knowledge specific to a build. Maybe we can have a Version 2 once all Version 1 guides are made.
We should not blame him for this since the update to all those guides is a tremendous amount of work.

I still prefer hierodule RW for sorc morph for non deva king morph though.

Super fast attack speed (5fpa?) for 1hand + shield combo.

ok . so : first of all i am not sure you guys read the build description . "old school"

i started playing holy melees since 1.99d , made the first miniguide about it in 1.A9 , then included it in my first compilation ,updated it to each patch untill 2012 when i quit gaming .

when i returned to playing MXL this summer , i wanted to play the same build , with no influence from the other new implemented skills , reason why i stated in 2 previous posts that i will be adding a few more variations of holy builds that will use those new skills . BUT NOT THIS ONE . from when i started playing mxl untill now , the changes for that holy melee build were insignificant .

how does it kill heroic bosses ? same as it did before . respec to caster/get a cotw with "x" spell / get an oskill that can get the job done / hope to proc stormblast when lightning imunity is off / fire procs (15% ctc flamestrike from Cinadide) . examples may continue

at 12k+ hp , 50% dr and tons of defence it is nowhere near squishy . i never felt in danger playing a retaliator all these years . i know how to retaliate .

also , in my opinion : early game = LATE TERROR . T6 uniques , mid range runewords ;
mid game = you hit destruction , you can acces level 100 RW , you do brc , get some crafts , and you start eating 500 extra signets , farm places for better gear . . don't tell me a krys is hard to get . if you want to farm it you get one in one farm day . bad luck finding one can also be fixed by trading . and it is one rune , ONE , for mid game . + you get the charms , all except 4 or 5 that require decent median knowledge and re-runs to understand mechanics and picking proper strategies

END GAME = you ate those f-ing signets , you got most/all charms , and you farmed the shit out of every important farming place . 10 stones ? please .
End game really means END GAME . It's not just a metaphor .

also , venom sting is a 2h . Tristan is 1h + bear stance shield . :roll:

this being said , i hope i answered your questions .

wait for the new builds . they will be out this month . i have a Knight Davion almost done (dota players know what the name stands for

) . still , the neutraldin is first on the list for updates .

edit : yea

since 1h+ shield is a "lady" style , you may actually want to look like one . sorc morph for the win !

i'm going in the street for some protests . it's a revolution out here in Romania since a few days ago . see you tomorow