[concept] Full build items

Marco wrote:
Removing the item would remove all points you allocated into these skills.

So if I accidentally press W, I get fucked?
Or if I die, when does the game decide that I am no longer using the items?

I had a solution for this but this could be exploited. I will likely end up making it so the skills cannot be used without the item instead, this will be simpler to code and cannot be exploited in any way.

if it works that way then it's already possible to implement without any hardcoding at all.

More skills is never a bad idea. I love me some new skills. Mhhhmmmmm skills skills skills. Nom nom.

Marco wrote:imho, the idea is too optimistic

case a) the skills are clones of existing skills => boring and uninnovating tree (and it's hell of a lot of work to make skills, even clones)
case b) the skills are brand new and cool => you can't restrict them to a lolitem... that'd be just so wrong

The concept isn't bad, but the way you want to make it, is a no-no. Mostly because making skills is an incredible pain in the ass (trust me).
I would suggest a different approach, which would be to make such affix be an innate property of specific itemtypes.

For example: new itemtype (druid swords) => innate stat to unlock WW tree - so all instances of this sword, regardless of quality, have this prop.
But in this case WW tree was always there/visible, it was just 'locked' till you get a specific weapon type. The concept this way can help to

a) easen up balance of a specific skill tree and it's siblings and undesirable side-weapon types
b) stats that don't look like ordinary stats are always pretty cool
c) it doesn't really "add" or "remove" that much - but the concept is original and adds to the variety of the game

Removing the item would remove all points you allocated into these skills.

So if I accidentally press W, I get fucked?
Or if I die, when does the game decide that I am no longer using the items?

this sentence made me so happy

Marco wrote:if it works that way then it's already possible to implement without any hardcoding at all.

No. I mean they wouldn't even show if you don't have the item. You wouldn't be able to select/use them in any way. Also you can only restrict skills to an item type in the original game, not a specific item.

Sounds a bit like PoE skills, with skill on a gem, could be good if worked correctly.

I was also thinking of a second mystic orb type that solely has skills, but, say, adds +6 required level per orb, and maybe a level requirement.

whist wrote:
Marco wrote:if it works that way then it's already possible to implement without any hardcoding at all.

No. I mean they wouldn't even show if you don't have the item. You wouldn't be able to select/use them in any way. Also you can only restrict skills to an item type in the original game, not a specific item.

compared to oskills it doesn't really add much to the game. The only way would be to add a nice chunk of skills so that point distribution matter, but then again as I said that's a fuckton of work and you are restricting them to specific items, and that's a shame. I would suggest something similar - which is "oskill sets" - maybe as just one stat, for example "+13 to super magic" and that gives you let's say 3 oskills.

Also you can only restrict skills to an item type in the original game, not a specific item.

Yes you can. You just need a dummy stat added to the item and then you use the dummy stat as a validation on the skillpoint formula. Then you add a desc to the dummy stat and it's basically the exact same you are mentioning here, only that the skill tree is visible all along (which is no big deal)

As long as the new skill tree offers interesting skills, I'd be okay with this concept

Alkaiser wrote:As long as the new skill tree offers interesting skills, I'd be okay with this concept

Try to figure new spells out, its hard, and then its time to balance it