Melee Necromancer - a revaluation one year later.

[MisterSweden]

you have bend the shadows as innate skill, try that for reposition during combat.

not sure how late is your late game referring to, but on my malice nec, without melee devotIon, with 200k ish def, i could tank trash mobs comfortably in scos and low labs, including corrupted barb.

despite on what you believe, like above person mentioned, running makes your def goes zero, huge nono.

Currently i am at 125, just like my previous character. And yes, running worsens defences, but its impossible to simply "walk" away from enemies, if you do not run or leap away, they will surround your escape routes and promplty clubber you to death, basically rendering your defences moot regardless.

Likewise, its great that it works for a Malice Necromancer, but i was strictly talking about a pure Melee Necro, so i dont know what that comparison has to do with the thread in question.

my brother, read again about the innate skill, doesn't matter if its a malice or whatever build, im merely telling you that with less defence, without running, i survived.

i believe you aren't intellectually incapable to comprehend, peace.

Well i certainly did understand it. There´s no need to be rude about it. The point still stands however that Bend the Shadows does not provide the damage boost of Angel of Death, so it would´ve been redundant regardless of efficiancy or not.

[Nubman]

you have bend the shadows as innate skill, try that for reposition during combat.

not sure how late is your late game referring to, but on my malice nec, without melee devotIon, with 200k ish def, i could tank trash mobs comfortably in scos and low labs, including corrupted barb.

despite on what you believe, like above person mentioned, running makes your def goes zero, huge nono.

Currently i am at 125, just like my previous character. And yes, running worsens defences, but its impossible to simply "walk" away from enemies, if you do not run or leap away, they will surround your escape routes and promplty clubber you to death, basically rendering your defences moot regardless.

Likewise, its great that it works for a Malice Necromancer, but i was strictly talking about a pure Melee Necro, so i dont know what that comparison has to do with the thread in question.

my brother, read again about the innate skill, doesn't matter if its a malice or whatever build, im merely telling you that with less defence, without running, i survived.

i believe you aren't intellectually incapable to comprehend, peace.

Well i certainly did understand it. There´s no need to be rude about it. The point still stands however that Bend the Shadows does not provide the damage boost of Angel of Death, so it would´ve been redundant regardless of efficiancy or not.

It's not supposed to give you a damage boost, it's supposed to give you mobility so that you don't have to run to escape, ultimately making you die faster because everything hits you. He explained it to you pretty clearly and you chose to ignore it. That's on you.

[Lynderika]

you have bend the shadows as innate skill, try that for reposition during combat.

not sure how late is your late game referring to, but on my malice nec, without melee devotIon, with 200k ish def, i could tank trash mobs comfortably in scos and low labs, including corrupted barb.

despite on what you believe, like above person mentioned, running makes your def goes zero, huge nono.

Currently i am at 125, just like my previous character. And yes, running worsens defences, but its impossible to simply "walk" away from enemies, if you do not run or leap away, they will surround your escape routes and promplty clubber you to death, basically rendering your defences moot regardless.

Likewise, its great that it works for a Malice Necromancer, but i was strictly talking about a pure Melee Necro, so i dont know what that comparison has to do with the thread in question.

my brother, read again about the innate skill, doesn't matter if its a malice or whatever build, im merely telling you that with less defence, without running, i survived.

i believe you aren't intellectually incapable to comprehend, peace.

Well i certainly did understand it. There´s no need to be rude about it. The point still stands however that Bend the Shadows does not provide the damage boost of Angel of Death, so it would´ve been redundant regardless of efficiancy or not.

Are you playing on a previous patch? Currently in 2.9 angel of death doesn't provide anything beside some unimportant extra poison damage. You shouldn't play around that. Current melee nec struggle in very high lab for sure but you shouldn't have issues with 125s as long as you take a big scythe and focus on phy damage instead of doing shenanigans.
Also you mention mobility a lot but I don't understand that part at all, every build stop to attack and melee nec has extra ms which is all you need. Being "ganked" should be the last of your issues with nec leech and parasite aoe. Guess it's one of the few melees left that can't shift clic so he definitely need to walk more than others, but it should play fine still

[Nubman]

[Admin note: removed previous quotes that seek to elicit drama]


Use aod for the dmg boost, and then use movement skills for mobility.

You are the one that complained that you needed to run everywhere and how that reduced defence, and the solution was given to you on how to not need to run everywhere

[Istaryu]

The way melee is played in mxl is that you keep going forward, slapping everything dead. If you have to run, you are doing something wrong. I never had to run with a melee build, you can usually just outleech the dmg you take. Or melee nec is weak, i havent played it so i cant comment on that, but its possible.

One thing you could be doing wrong is that you dont have (enough) leech.

[Diaco]

if you have 300k defense on a lvl125 str/phys melee nec, you are doing something wrong

[Giu]

if you have 300k defense on a lvl125 str/phys melee nec, you are doing something wrong

on any version*

[Diaco]

tbh mobility should only be an issue in high tier labs, and you have pretty big ms from deathlord

[MisterSweden]

if you have 300k defense on a lvl125 str/phys melee nec, you are doing something wrong

As in, is it insufficient or too much?

[MisterSweden]

May aswell post this here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=64661 as further supplement to the points i´ve made.