holy melee pala?????

[Boonsketti]

You need to upgrade your gear. Your stats aren't up to par if you are dying that's much outside of Uber's. you need to gear for destruction and transition into TA/k3ba. I assume you have the BRC done and all your Uber skills. The mod has various walls you hut that you need to farm/ craft gear to break through. Most builds are viable for the early Uber's

[HechtHeftig]

The game is clearly not balanced and biased toward some specs.

BTW, if you wanna play properly you have to be a godly player to win all the challenges without 'donating' for the trophies/relics.

Unfortunately, if you are like me, who likes to melee without any minions/summons/reanimates/hirelings/converts the game is broken.

It's not possible to sustain your character in high end game.

You can only play end game if you fill your screen with reanimates, summons, hireling and use very high damage to kill the monsters before they kill you.
Tanking does not exist in destruction.

You have to be a character that burps arrows, farts grenades and lasers out of your A** - which makes all end game characters look like clowns with 0 cohesion or theme - but viable.

Take the holy paladin for example : you have magic damage, fire damage, cold damage, poison, physical and can still shapeshift and summon!

While I agree that some specs are not correctly balanced and have a harder time to survive, most of what you say is bs.

You don't have to be a godly player. You just have to have experience with the ubers. (read guides or try them out in hatred)

You don't have to rely on summons. You just have to farm to get good gear to make yourself able to survive.

You can easily get lots of armor and DR.

Erawan

Erawan
Body Armors
'LemKoCham'
Runeword Level: 83
15% Combat Speeds
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
+(144 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
(27 to 30)% to Strength
(27 to 30)% to Vitality
Physical Resist (13 to 15)%
(15 to 20)% Bonus to Defense

Truce

Truce
Belts
'Jah'
Runeword Level: 80
5% Combat Speeds
Stun Attack
Slows Attacker by 5%
+(172 to 200)% Enhanced Defense
Physical Resist 10%

Megalith

Megalith
Boots
'LoFal'
Runeword Level: 73
+1 to All Skills
25% Cast Speed
15% Block Speed
+(115 to 143)% Enhanced Defense
+(10 to 20) to all Attributes
5% to Dexterity
Regenerate Mana +30%
Physical Resist 5%

And you already have 30% DR (and you can get another 3% from lucky upgrade). And Erawan is one of those armors with the highest defense in the game if you socket it into an ancient sacred armor. You can achive all those with just farming Tcows, which any character can do. Get a

Witchhunter's Hood

Witchhunter's Hood
Cap (Sacred)
Defense: (2136 - 2611) to (2161 - 2642)
Required Level: 90
Required Strength: 250
Item Level: 1
+(80 to 120)% Enhanced Defense
10% to Strength
10% to Dexterity
Maximum Elemental Resists +1%
Elemental Resists +(31 to 40)%
Physical Resist 5%
(16 to 20)% Bonus to Defense
Requirements -50%
Socketed (4)

Witchhunter's Attire
(Assassin Claw Set)

for another 5% and +max ress (one of the easiest to get set items in the game) And BAM 38% DR, high defense. GG

And Pala even has the BRC skill, which adds even more DR, so it's your fault for not being able to get further.

[bloodsuckern]

@tchacin, 98% of what you said is pretty much just wrong. You don't have to be a godly player at the game to get all the charms. Tanking is 100% possible.

It sounds like you're just a bit frustrated because whatever you're playing as isn't fully prepared for tanking and clear speed to its maximum.

do tell how to retaliate through fauzt in terror im stuck and i need to retaliate 200 times to kill mobs but i also have to use solar flare every 7 seconds to i die in a sec
what's the amazing tiered unique gear im missing out on in order for destruction bosses to not take 5 minutes of running in and out of portals to take down for them to simply drop me more shitty gear that I could've found in hatred difficulty
are there some sekrit o-skills i should be looking for on shrine crafts for very specific gear slots?

[Crash]

@tchacin, 98% of what you said is pretty much just wrong. You don't have to be a godly player at the game to get all the charms. Tanking is 100% possible.

It sounds like you're just a bit frustrated because whatever you're playing as isn't fully prepared for tanking and clear speed to its maximum.

do tell how to retaliate through fauzt in terror im stuck and i need to retaliate 200 times to kill mobs but i also have to use solar flare every 7 seconds to i die in a sec
what's the amazing tiered unique gear im missing out on in order for destruction bosses to not take 5 minutes of running in and out of portals to take down for them to simply drop me more shitty gear that I could've found in hatred difficulty
are there some sekrit o-skills i should be looking for on shrine crafts for very specific gear slots?

You can try

Zohar

Zohar
Paladin Shields
'MhalElqSil'
Runeword Level: 110
80% Attack Speed
Adds 3-5 Damage
+(75 to 95) to Maximum Damage
+(18 to 21) to Cherubim
Slows Attacker by 20%
+200% Enhanced Defense
10% to All Attributes
(10 to 15)% Chance to Avoid Damage
-10% to All Vendor Prices

instead of Retaliate. Cherub Strike has the same mechanic as retaliate, but has a giant target range (like 70 yards or something) and many more targets. Maybe you need more poison pierce to make Plague get more DPS with your attacks.

[bloodsuckern]

also what does "rapture" do?
its not in docs

[Tadace]

Rapture increases overall speed.

I want to try a pally with cherub strike. I've never played holy for any amount of time so i don't totally understand how ret works especially with holy flare

[bloodsuckern]

@tchacin, 98% of what you said is pretty much just wrong. You don't have to be a godly player at the game to get all the charms. Tanking is 100% possible.

It sounds like you're just a bit frustrated because whatever you're playing as isn't fully prepared for tanking and clear speed to its maximum.

do tell how to retaliate through fauzt in terror im stuck and i need to retaliate 200 times to kill mobs but i also have to use solar flare every 7 seconds to i die in a sec
what's the amazing tiered unique gear im missing out on in order for destruction bosses to not take 5 minutes of running in and out of portals to take down for them to simply drop me more shitty gear that I could've found in hatred difficulty
are there some sekrit o-skills i should be looking for on shrine crafts for very specific gear slots?

You can try

Zohar

Zohar
Paladin Shields
'MhalElqSil'
Runeword Level: 110
80% Attack Speed
Adds 3-5 Damage
+(75 to 95) to Maximum Damage
+(18 to 21) to Cherubim
Slows Attacker by 20%
+200% Enhanced Defense
10% to All Attributes
(10 to 15)% Chance to Avoid Damage
-10% to All Vendor Prices

instead of Retaliate. Cherub Strike has the same mechanic as retaliate, but has a giant target range (like 70 yards or something) and many more targets. Maybe you need more poison pierce to make Plague get more DPS with your attacks.

tried out cherub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq0988c ... e=youtu.be
its nothing like retaliate in my opinion and here's why i think or why i get the feeling as to the defensive capabilities of the ability maybe im not using it like it's supposed to be used and i dont see how it should be used if there is some secret strat to making it perform with the "same mechanic as retaliate". thing about retaliate is that even if you miss the enemy, the rings perform poison damage and will push everything away from you stunning everything while cherub will meme you into paying 50k gold for respawning.
so if i can't use cherub in tcows why would i be able to use it in Fauzt or anywhere else cause i doubt tcows is the most hectic dangerous place in the game.

[cowking]

You can hold rmb on the ground for automatic attacks and still skillswitch between flare/retaliate/DA whatever to save your hand.

As for cherub, it's a trash skill with slowest nd projectiles in the game (unless something has been left out in the patch notes).

Maybe you should post your gear/skillplan/statscreen?

From my experience the two biggest mid-game steps (short of luck finding good items) for holy melee have always been getting 500 sigs and grinding an auhe rune for

Nero

. It's also an excellent sig runner since you have 3s teleport + retaliate knockback vs. rust curse and can have excellent crowd control with hand of god

Calypso

which is the best untwinked weapon for this build. The other contender would be a crafted hand of god.

[bloodsuckern]

You can hold rmb on the ground for automatic attacks and still skillswitch between flare/retaliate/DA whatever to save your hand.

As for cherub, it's a trash skill with slowest nd projectiles in the game (unless something has been left out in patch notes).

Maybe you should post your gear/skillplan/statscreen?

From my experience the two biggest mid-game steps (short of luck finding good items) for holy melee have always been getting 500 sigs and grinding an auhe rune for

Nero

. It's also an excellent sig runner since you have 3s teleport + retaliate knockback vs. rust curse and can have excellent crowd control with hand of god

Calypso

which is the best untwinked weapon for this build. The other contender would be crafted spike nova hand of god.

about points! I had to put all of mine into strength because everything costs 2much to wear and the only sockets i use if i can are the +max res pgems
here's some stats now in fresh webm format https://puu.sh/wcVFS/2494ce7041.webm
where should attribute points be specced into
cant do step 4 of black road because fauzt owns me because physical immunes and poison doesn't want to be good and the only good poison runewords were weapons so i couldnt buff it. all the amulets i find with +1/3 skills dont have any poison on top sadface things used to be so much simpler you could just roll em 50 times and youd have what you wanted and then you'd gris luck the shit out of it and repeat x10
what is this sigrunning strat for holypalas?

[cowking]

Well here are a few tips.

1.) use +8

Elverfolk

Elverfolk
Staves
'ChamIstVex'
Runeword Level: 83
+(7 to 8) to All Skills
+(60 to 80) Spell Focus
35% Cast Speed
-(27 to 33)% to Enemy Elemental Resistances
+750 Defense vs. Missile
(21 to 30)% to Energy
Maximum Life and Mana +5%
Elemental Resists +(35 to 45)%
(31 to 40)% Bonus to Defense
10% Magic Find

on switch for prebuffing all your buffs. The other option is

Koth's Lesson

Koth's Lesson
Mace (4)
One-Hand Damage: (7 - 9) to (10 - 12)
Required Level: 5
Required Strength: 36
Item Level: 10
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
15% Chance to cast level 4 Bloodlust on Kill
+1 to All Skills
+(6 to 9)% Bonus Damage to Bloodlust
+(37 to 72)% Damage to Undead
+(31 to 50)% Enhanced Damage
+(51 to 100) Defense
+(11 to 15) to Strength
Maximum Life +(2 to 3)%
Socketed (1)
One-Hand Damage: (22 - 24) to (29 - 32)
Required Level: 23
Required Strength: 62
Item Level: 31
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
21% Chance to cast level 12 Bloodlust on Kill
+(1 to 2) to All Skills
+(12 to 18)% Bonus Damage to Bloodlust
+(109 to 144)% Damage to Undead
+(71 to 90)% Enhanced Damage
+(151 to 200) Defense
+(21 to 25) to Strength
Maximum Life +(3 to 4)%
Socketed (2)
One-Hand Damage: (40 - 44) to (60 - 66)
Required Level: 42
Required Strength: 130
Item Level: 51
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
27% Chance to cast level 20 Bloodlust on Kill
+2 to All Skills
+(21 to 27)% Bonus Damage to Bloodlust
+(181 to 216)% Damage to Undead
+(101 to 120)% Enhanced Damage
+(251 to 300) Defense
+(31 to 35) to Strength
Maximum Life +(4 to 5)%
Socketed (3)
One-Hand Damage: (55 - 60) to (80 - 87)
Required Level: 51
Required Strength: 261
Item Level: 77
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
30% Chance to cast level 24 Bloodlust on Kill
+(2 to 3) to All Skills
+(30 to 36)% Bonus Damage to Bloodlust
+(217 to 252)% Damage to Undead
+(131 to 150)% Enhanced Damage
+(301 to 350) Defense
+(36 to 40) to Strength
Maximum Life +(5 to 6)%
Socketed (3)

+ crafted Nih runed pally shield depending on your merc choice/gearing.

2.) leave retaliate at 1p and put those points into solar flare or colosseum (both good against necrobots, although I don't remember if colosseum actually drops the PI of necrobots), with solar flare you want to DA on top of them and then cast flare. Retaliate gets boosted by soft points and this patch dropped the WDM of retaliate so the extra magic damage is actually halved, plus you don't even have 500 sigs and thus lose the majority of the bonus damage. You want to boost dragonheart with hardpoints +skills to 1000 tcd and stop there.

3.) you lack all charms, you should do the basic ones.

4.)

Dragonheart

Dragonheart
Body Armors
'OhmThulFal'
Runeword Level: 70
+2 to All Skills
30% Attack Speed
30% Cast Speed
30% Block Speed
45% Hit Recovery
+1.625% Enhanced Defense (Based on Character Level)
5% to Dexterity
+(550 to 650) to Life
Cold Resist +25%

is way better than your current armor. If you want more physical damage you'd craft a creepy armor with innate +20% str +bless and fill with ko runes or crafted jewels, but this is better after eating sigs.

5.) it's not a good idea to focus on tcd because you get tons from dragonheart, you should rather focus on raising base defense and get FHR to 5 at least.

6.) by using 1h weapon vs. hand of god you're basically saying no to 80% deadly strike or something (which in the case with hand of god + deadly strike is like quadruple damage = 4x life leech), which is very much no, the only 1hander I would use is

Nimmenjuushin

Nimmenjuushin
War Axe (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (98 - 110) to (221 - 284)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 464
Item Level: 105
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.11 per Strength)%
8% Chance to cast level 10 Claw Tornado on Striking
+(4 to 5) to Druid Skill Levels
+12% Bonus Damage to Mark of the Wild
(151 to 175)% Duration Bonus to Mark of the Wild
30% Attack Speed
50% Hit Recovery
+(101 to 150) to Maximum Damage
(8 to 15)% Life stolen per Hit
+(115 to 140)% Enhanced Damage
(21 to 30)% to Strength
Requirements -20%
Socketed (6)

, and

The Angiris Star

The Angiris Star
Angel Star (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: 55 to 58
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 602
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.14 per Strength)%
Vessel of Retribution: 0.7% Damage Leeched as Life
3% Chance to cast level 40 Death Ripple on Death Blow
+(4 to 6) to Paladin Skill Levels
20% Movement Speed
+30% to Physical/Magic Spell Damage
-50% to Fire Spell Damage
-50% to Lightning Spell Damage
-50% to Cold Spell Damage
-50% to Poison Spell Damage
(5 to 20)% to Vitality
(5 to 20)% to Energy
Maximum Elemental Resists +1%
Socketed (3)

is probably better in this patch since colosseum can be dropped to 3s cooler.

7.) your helm is utterly inferior to

Bogspitter

Bogspitter
Helms
'BerUm'
Runeword Level: 78
20% Chance to cast level 11 Miasma on Melee Attack
+1 to All Skills
Adds 60-179 Poison Damage over 1 seconds
Slows Attacker by (10 to 15)%
+(115 to 143)% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists +10%

. Miasma proc drops enemy AR and damage by 33% plus you get your plague duration boost from here.

8.) you're not using a merc. A3 merc can help against necrobots as does A5 merc who also boosts your spell damage (

Shark

Shark
Weapons
Except Necromancer Daggers, Assassin Claws
'Eld'
Runeword Level: 8
5% Chance to cast level 9 Bloodlust on Kill
+(7 to 9)% Bonus Damage to Bloodlust
20% Attack Speed
+5 to Maximum Damage
+0.125 to Maximum Damage (Based on Character Level)
1.5% Bonus to Attack Rating (Based on Character Level)
+(24 to 35)% Enhanced Damage
-1 to Mana

in sacred flamberge with 15 IAS jewels or a nice craft +

Robe of Leaves

Robe of Leaves
Scale Mail (4)
Defense: (127 - 147) to (254 - 293)
Required Level: 4
Required Strength: 27 to 28
Item Level: 10
+5% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(2 to 3)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(24 to 43)% Enhanced Defense
+10 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(2 to 3)%
Poison Resist +(21 to 25)%
Requirements -(3 to 5)%
Socketed (2)
Defense: (452 - 505) to (816 - 911)
Required Level: 21
Required Strength: 52 to 54
Item Level: 31
+10% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(5 to 8)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(64 to 83)% Enhanced Defense
+20 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(3 to 4)%
Poison Resist +(31 to 35)%
Requirements -(6 to 10)%
Socketed (4)
Defense: (1166 - 1275) to (2031 - 2221)
Required Level: 39
Required Strength: 171 to 179
Item Level: 51
+15% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(10 to 13)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(104 to 123)% Enhanced Defense
+35 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(4 to 5)%
Poison Resist +(41 to 45)%
Requirements -(11 to 15)%
Socketed (5)
Defense: (1738 - 1885) to (3030 - 3287)
Required Level: 47
Required Strength: 322 to 338
Item Level: 77
+20% Bonus Elemental Damage to Mark of the Wild
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Fire Resistance
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Cold Resistance
-(15 to 18)% to Enemy Poison Resistance
+(124 to 143)% Enhanced Defense
+50 Life Regenerated per Second
Maximum Life +(5 to 6)%
Poison Resist +(46 to 50)%
Requirements -(16 to 20)%
Socketed (6)

+

Fuse

Fuse
Belts
'Mhal'
Runeword Level: 110
20% Chance to cast level 28 Ignis Fatuus when Struck
Adds 38-113 Fire Damage
0.375% to Fire Spell Damage (Based on Character Level)
+(7 to 12) to Path of Flames
+(143 to 171)% Enhanced Defense
5% to All Attributes
Fire Resist +(75 to 100)%
Level 5 Blast Wave (40/40 Charges)

+

Fawkes

Fawkes
Barbarian Helms
'PulRhal'
Runeword Level: 100
20% Chance to cast level 40 Ember Spirit on Melee Attack
+(2 to 3) to All Skills
50% Cast Speed
1% to Fire Spell Damage (Based on Character Level)
+(26 to 32) to Powder Keg
+150 to Energy
(5 to 10)% to Energy
Fire Resist +30%
+(61 to 90) Life after each Kill

).

9.) if you haven't found a hand of god yet, you can also use a crafted tepoztopilli.

10.) the best trash item slot for using a crafted item for double mo is downleveled boots (where ironically you're using a rw).

11.) you haven't MOed your weapon, which is obviously pretty horrible on a melee char.

12.) I hope you're using vindicate.

13.) forget about nihlathak/farming uber runs before you have black road completed.

When you get

Calypso

, MO first with ed and after making the runeword deadly strike. If you don't have enough sustain, you might have to MO ed + life leech, but preferably you'd rather get LL jewels instead. Oh and I forgot double MO has been removed, so crafts are probably gonna beat calypso.