Σ 2.8.0 Announced

can restore some interesting morphs relics?like treewarden / superbeast / deathlord

cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

you worried very op builds,why is it the first time play Havoc sor?it's not op?

cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

The whole point of this season IS to have op shit...

Giu wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

The whole point of this season IS to have op shit...

k9999 wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

you worried very op builds,why is it the first time play Havoc sor?it's not op?

Sry I cant get ur point. And it seems to make no sense at all.

First, havoc sorc is not about relic or relic theme season.

Second, havoc sorc is more like a bug or an accidental, it is not intended. But this 2.8 is not.

Third, every regular season, there r op builds. Javazon, Scorpion blade, Wyrd sorc, Melee sorc, Bowzon, X-bow....So u mean these builds should be banned from playing by ppl in their seasons? Im sry but it seems like it is more about devs' balance work about the game and beta test, nothing about what ppl choose to play.

Forth, relic abuse just leads to easy game, ppl break the game quickly in 2-3 weeks, then season is over, then market dies, then afk. U really want this game to be an easy fast food like some other players mentioned in their posts? Sry, I dont. For me, this game is fun just because it is not a fast food game, unlike most games.

Fifth, Im not against more builds' diversity, but I dont think it is an excuse for not doing necessary and proper balance work before patch released. Sry but more diversity is not an excuse for the possible shitty balance.

Ok, u mentioned havoc. Thx for offering such a good example to explain my point: What is 2.7 about? It is about havoc. But we all know that 2.7 should have been about Seer Dru, about Unholy Melee Pal...But since havoc is op and gets directly released with too low requirement in 2.7, it just destroyed all and actually turned 2.7 into a havoc season. I dont want to say this, but havoc just made ppl who played other builds in 2.7 clowns. It was unfair to these players, and also unfair to these builds. Just like other ppl said in their posts: Havoc just made 2.7 ladder life short and boring. U like it? Sry, I dont like all of these.

And morphs like treewarden / superbeast / deathlord u mentioned should not be released in 2.8, that is exactly what Im worried about, they will easily break the balance and make the game a joke and actually it will be unfair to the players who dont play with these relics or builds in 2.8. U want these relics released in 2.8, just because u know u can build up op builds with these relics, and u dont care about balance or fairness at all, u dont care about game becomes boring and fast food, u dont care about ppl who dont play or cant play these op builds in 2.8. This is selfish.

of course: Startled Witches

Oh christ

cnlnjzfjb wrote:
k9999 wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

you worried very op builds,why is it the first time play Havoc sor?it's not op?

Sry I cant get ur point. And it seems to make no sense at all.

First, havoc sorc is not about relic or relic theme season.

Second, havoc sorc is more like a bug or an accidental, it is not intended. But this 2.8 is not.

Third, every regular season, there r op builds. Javazon, Scorpion blade, Wyrd sorc, Melee sorc, Bowzon, X-bow....So u mean these builds should be banned from playing by ppl in their seasons? Im sry but it seems like it is more about devs' balance work about the game and beta test, nothing about what ppl choose to play.

Forth, relic abuse just leads to easy game, ppl break the game quickly in 2-3 weeks, then season is over, then market dies, then afk. U really want this game to be an easy fast food like some other players mentioned in their posts? Sry, I dont. For me, this game is fun just because it is not a fast food game, unlike most games.

Fifth, Im not against more builds' diversity, but I dont think it is an excuse for not doing necessary and proper balance work before patch released. Sry but more diversity is not an excuse for the possible shitty balance.

Ok, u mentioned havoc. Thx for offering such a good example to explain my point: What is 2.7 about? It is about havoc. But we all know that 2.7 should have been about Seer Dru, about Unholy Melee Pal...But since havoc is op and gets directly released with too low requirement in 2.7, it just destroyed all and actually turned 2.7 into a havoc season. I dont want to say this, but havoc just made ppl who played other builds in 2.7 clowns. It was unfair to these players, and also unfair to these builds. Just like other ppl said in their posts: Havoc just made 2.7 ladder life short and boring. U like it? Sry, I dont like all of these.

And morphs like treewarden / superbeast / deathlord u mentioned should not be released in 2.8, that is exactly what Im worried about, they will easily break the balance and make the game a joke and actually it will be unfair to the players who dont play with these relics or builds in 2.8. U want these relics released in 2.8, just because u know u can build up op builds with these relics, and u dont care about balance or fairness at all, u dont care about game becomes boring and fast food, u dont care about ppl who dont play or cant play these op builds in 2.8. This is selfish.

havoc not joke,treewarden / superbeast / deathlord not joke too,there will be a better gaming experience,Some player believe havoc that let more player to reach level 150,Voting may be more fair than our arguments,So I won't continue this discussion with you
when you say don't like havoc,but you play it first time,so i mean you are contradictory

k9999 wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:
k9999 wrote:
cnlnjzfjb wrote:New relics featuring: Challenge skills, Ultimate Skills...
Tbh, Im kinda worried this will lead to very op builds if not well balanced since some ultimate skills have game-changing power. There are already some skills coming into my mind...
Hope we dont get another relic-abused season as 1.8 does.

you worried very op builds,why is it the first time play Havoc sor?it's not op?

Sry I cant get ur point. And it seems to make no sense at all.

First, havoc sorc is not about relic or relic theme season.

Second, havoc sorc is more like a bug or an accidental, it is not intended. But this 2.8 is not.

Third, every regular season, there r op builds. Javazon, Scorpion blade, Wyrd sorc, Melee sorc, Bowzon, X-bow....So u mean these builds should be banned from playing by ppl in their seasons? Im sry but it seems like it is more about devs' balance work about the game and beta test, nothing about what ppl choose to play.

Forth, relic abuse just leads to easy game, ppl break the game quickly in 2-3 weeks, then season is over, then market dies, then afk. U really want this game to be an easy fast food like some other players mentioned in their posts? Sry, I dont. For me, this game is fun just because it is not a fast food game, unlike most games.

Fifth, Im not against more builds' diversity, but I dont think it is an excuse for not doing necessary and proper balance work before patch released. Sry but more diversity is not an excuse for the possible shitty balance.

Ok, u mentioned havoc. Thx for offering such a good example to explain my point: What is 2.7 about? It is about havoc. But we all know that 2.7 should have been about Seer Dru, about Unholy Melee Pal...But since havoc is op and gets directly released with too low requirement in 2.7, it just destroyed all and actually turned 2.7 into a havoc season. I dont want to say this, but havoc just made ppl who played other builds in 2.7 clowns. It was unfair to these players, and also unfair to these builds. Just like other ppl said in their posts: Havoc just made 2.7 ladder life short and boring. U like it? Sry, I dont like all of these.

And morphs like treewarden / superbeast / deathlord u mentioned should not be released in 2.8, that is exactly what Im worried about, they will easily break the balance and make the game a joke and actually it will be unfair to the players who dont play with these relics or builds in 2.8. U want these relics released in 2.8, just because u know u can build up op builds with these relics, and u dont care about balance or fairness at all, u dont care about game becomes boring and fast food, u dont care about ppl who dont play or cant play these op builds in 2.8. This is selfish.

havoc not joke,treewarden / superbeast / deathlord not joke too,there will be a better gaming experience,Some player believe havoc that let more player to reach level 150,Voting may be more fair than our arguments,So I won't continue this discussion with you
when you say don't like havoc,but you play it first time,so i mean you are contradictory

Very not true.

First, I never said I didnt like havoc itself.

Second, tbh, Im against builds like havoc, actually. Why? Simple, builds like havoc in 2.7 break the balance and make game boring.

Third, it is not contradictory at all. I can do nothing about what devs decide to release or not, what we can do is to accept the fact, respect the version, follow the meta (or not, it is up to ppl) and give reasonable & constructive feedbacks. I even suggested ppl to start with fire sorc in many posts before 2.7 season started. I or ppl played the meta or not, has nothing to do with it is op or not and nothing to do with I think if it deserves a nerf or not.

Forth, I played wyrd sorc, and I have been strongly suggesting to nerf it which u should know. I see no contradiction; I played searing glow zon with old ama blood relic, and I insisted on nerfing this oskill together with this blood relic for 2~3 seasons if u can remeber, but they just dont until recent 2 patches. I see no contradiction. So, if builds op or not, unbalanced or not, it has nothing to do with what ppl play or what I play. It is not because ppl play a build, and then this build is or becomes op. On the contrary, It is because op builds are released, then ppl play whatever they like. I see no contradiction. Ppl who played op builds do not mean they dont think/suggest the build should get nerfed. I see no contradiction.

And to make it more clear, Im not strictly against op relics. But just like Tyrael's Might, make sure op relics get enough rarity/low enough drop rate. Let's say, Im not strictly against powerful relics like superbeast in 2.8, but such op relics should be as rare as Tyrael's Might or even rarer. But it seems it would not be the case if superbeast relic is released in 2.8. If it turns out to be hundreds of superbeast relics out there in 2.8, I dont think it is some good news or good thing to median xl ladder.

Lets be frank, considering there will be much more relics drop rate in 2.8, once relics like superbeast get released in 2.8, it is quite likely to be out of control, and has to be abused without low enough rarity. Easy game is never real fun.

Talking about all these, it reminds me of the build 2h melee nec with bear morph worldstone in 1.4 version (Or 1.3 version? Sry if Im wrong, cause it has been so long). Ofc it was before the bear morph reworked and we all knew it was op. But I didnt think it was that bad or broke the game's balance much at that time. I was totally fine with it. Why? Bear morph worldstone dropped so rarely at that time!!! If a worldstone/relic costs u more than 2k tg or equal time investment, then ur build with it should be good, right? In other words, if havoc sorc in 2.8 needs 1.5k+ tg or equal time investment to be as good/op as in 2.7, then Im totally fine with it staying op in 2.8. It is like if u have Tyrael's Might whether u farmed or bought, ur build is supposed to be good since u invested a lot equally.

In short, Im not against op build/op stuffs/op relics, what Im against is easy op builds/relics with low investment like havoc did in 2.7. And Im seeing this trend in the coming 2.8. If one invests enough in his build, then he deserves the power.

This patch looks awesome!! Thank you for all the continued work on this incredible patch.

So, so looking forward to this!

Happy holidays y'all!