Dr. Strangebuff - Summoner Nec

marioace wrote:Would you use
Monsterball
Monsterball
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5 to Summon Shock Beast
+10% to Summoned Minion Life
+3% to Summoned Minion Damage
+2% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+10 Required Level
on goethia instead of minion life MO? Also, is Goethia end game unless you get laz 3 piece?

Thank you for the guide and for answering all the questions I've posted.

Yes, goetia is the endgame armor. It's much better than laz armor because you get +1000 life (which is effectively about 2450 and more because of embalming. It helps really a Lot). However the +skills from the helm and belt of the set are Really nice so these still are considered endgame.

Monsterball can only be cubed with Rings and Amuletts if the description in the forum is correct.

And np

HechtHeftig wrote:
marioace wrote:Would you use
Monsterball
Monsterball
Mystic Orb

Right-Click to Apply
+5 to Summon Shock Beast
+10% to Summoned Minion Life
+3% to Summoned Minion Damage
+2% to Summoned Minion Resistances
+10 Required Level
on goethia instead of minion life MO? Also, is Goethia end game unless you get laz 3 piece?

Thank you for the guide and for answering all the questions I've posted.

Yes, goetia is the endgame armor. It's much better than laz armor because you get +1000 life (which is effectively about 2450 and more because of embalming. It helps really a Lot). However the +skills from the helm and belt of the set are Really nice so these still are considered endgame.

Monsterball can only be cubed with Rings and Amuletts if the description in the forum is correct.

And np

Forum description is correct, I just wasn't paying attention. Would it be better than other MO choices on the rare ammy/ring?

Just go all in and lucky a Felblood amulet for +1 skills, then make a UMO project with 5x Monsterball and 5x Kara's Trinket.

I hate Quov Sin, he can go die. It took a long ass time, but I killed him. Upside, all the stats are almost perfect, with 1 or 2 points of max each so woo! Now never again.

What about

The Prophet's Veil

compared to a crafted circlet?

marioace wrote:What about
The Prophet's Veil
compared to a crafted circlet?

Well, it has no minion life on it. If you have enough minion life than prophet's veil is definitely worth using.

HechtHeftig wrote:
marioace wrote:What about
The Prophet's Veil
compared to a crafted circlet?

Well, it has no minion life on it. If you have enough minion life than prophet's veil is definitely worth using.

Ok, ty. I'll hold on to it and if I get more minion life might switch. Would it be better than having the laz helm and belt? Or are those stronger?

marioace wrote:
HechtHeftig wrote:
marioace wrote:What about
The Prophet's Veil
compared to a crafted circlet?

Well, it has no minion life on it. If you have enough minion life than prophet's veil is definitely worth using.

Ok, ty. I'll hold on to it and if I get more minion life might switch. Would it be better than having the laz helm and belt? Or are those stronger?

Well, imo the Lazarus set is the best option you can get for belt and helm.

Simply because you get so many +minion stats. And in endgame 2 more minions of each type (so in total 6 or 8 depending on whether you play with Jinns or with Death Ward) aren't that much if you already use a

Santa Compana

with +20 minions.

If we compare the +minion% stats of those both items,

Lazarus' Surplice Cap

Lazarus' Surplice Cap
Cap (Sacred)
Defense: 3561 to 3603
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 500
Item Level: 120
+(1 to 3) to Necromancer Skill Levels
+(51 to 75)% to Summoned Minion Life
+(26 to 38)% to Summoned Minion Damage
+200% Enhanced Defense
Elemental Resists +35%
Socketed (4)

Archbishop Lazarus
(Tribute Set)

is much better simply because you get a total of 125% base stats. And you still can get +25% minion resist from the set bonus (2 pieces), which makes it a total of 150% base stats. Jewels and Mystic orbs not included.

The Prophet's Veil

however can get 65% at max value. You have to be lucky to get such a roll though.

Lazarus' Lamen

Lazarus' Lamen
Plated Belt (Sacred)
Defense: 1363 to 1493
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 675
Item Level: 120
+(2 to 3) to Necromancer Skill Levels
(15 to 20)% Life stolen per Hit
+(10 to 15)% to Spell Damage
+(51 to 75)% to Summoned Minion Life
50% Bonus to Defense
Socketed (2)

Archbishop Lazarus
(Tribute Set)

is the best item you can get in that slot even without the set bonus. Simply because you get everything you need. more +skill levels than any other belt, some spell damage for the totems and minion life. And don't forget the TCD bonus, which helps a lot as well.

The prophets veil is a good option pre-Santa Compana and pre-lazarus cap. But afterwards, it's not good imho.

Is there a cap for %minion life or can i stack it as much as i want?

There's an entire thread that explains this, as written by Hecht and suchbalance.

There's a rollover value for hp somewhere around 86-90k, where anything above that number is treated as the actual hp, so if you have 91k, your minions would only have 1k. Whatever the specific number is, I'm not sure.