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itsme wrote:AFAIK it's the same deal as Curare. It's a passive damage source, which means it gets multiplied by the WDM on the skill (and also spell damage if direct melee). Physical weapon damage (ED/EWD/whatever) doesn't affect anything. The Pounce nova is WDM but not direct, so it carries the effect but lowers the damage to 60%, and isn't improved by spell damage.


It's true EWD doesn't affect flat Elemental damage, but I'm pretty sure skill WDM doesn't affect it either. For example, neither Enfilade's flat Cold damage, nor Hammer of Zerae's flat Lightning damage seem to be affected by either skills' WDMs (this is based on LCS numbers, so who knows?). I say Curare is different because the skill description specifically states: "The Elemental damage from this skill is affected by weapon damage multipliers on attack skills."

Edit:
Looks like it may be different for flat Elemental damage from skills vs. from items. Just checked with Toorc's Gift and that Cold damage is indeed affected by WDM, whereas Enfilade's is not.
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Yeah, the LCS doesn't show any of the scaling. Supposedly (according to how spell damage works) the flat damage from skills should scale to the WDM too, but I haven't tested it. It seems weird to me because if the skill has a WDM, and the skill's flat damage is being scaled by that, then the damage listed on the skill will never be accurate. So maybe that's taken into account on the description somehow.

Edit: Actually I might be misinterpreting that from how it's phrased. "Flat elemental damage added to wdm skills by the skill itself also fall on this category (passive sources)." Anyway, it's strange.
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I think you're probably right and LCS just isn't displaying the scaling of flat Ele damage from WDM skills. Some of these mechanics are so convoluted.
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it does increase curare damage, but only the direct melee hit. If you use pounce, then gz no increased damage
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Nope. It scales to the WDM no matter what. Just tested it again on normal attack/HoZ/Magnetic Field and Curare has a different DPS with each skill (much more with HoZ and much less with MF). Takedown is 50% WD and Pounce nova 60%, one is direct and the other indirect but they do similar amounts of poison DPS. Normal attack and throw are both 100% WD and they do the same poison DPS.

What's happening with Pounce is that the direct hit is doing 100% WD and the nova is doing 60%. The Curare damage is being REDUCED on the nova, not increased by melee. Which means your damage is way lower than you might think.

You are probably confusing this with when %spell damage boosts passive ele damage. That only works on melee hits.

Edit:
Also the old LFAQ talks about this:
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anyone know if this build is still viable. I am not able to stand in destruction ubers. basically 2 shot kill.
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Yes it is indeed. Get more lifeleach & DR.
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pounce doesn't have a direct hit, else it would proc on melee attack. its's only the nova
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Hey i have a problem either with my Pouncezon or just with my Character.
When i press Pounce it does the attack but my charater doesnt move and the "nova" seems to not hit a damn thing.
If anyone can help me out i would highly appreciate it.
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Yes, Wordel is right, I have a problem with pouncezon's pounce too, my character teleports to the target but nova stays in the same spot from which i jumped on monsters, and as this person said, I dont hit a damn thing. Skill deals no damage, but unless you warp to enemies, who are very close, then nova deals damage.