Unholy Melee Paladin [105-125 content in TU's]

Is there any use for the following items with a UHM build? I found both of these today and wondering what can be done with them:

The Book of Kalen

The Book of Kalen
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: (3513 - 4471) to (3737 - 4757)
Chance to Block: 3%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 437
Item Level: 105
Dragon's Blessing Attribute Bonus Halved
1% Base Block Chance
30% Hit Recovery
+(20 to 40) to Carnage
+(120 to 180)% Enhanced Defense
+2000 Defense vs. Missile
Maximum Life +3%
Socketed (4)

Mad King's Spine

Mad King's Spine
Bonebreaker (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (212 - 263) to (304 - 396)
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 544
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.14 per Strength)%
Superbeast adds Deadly Strike Instead of Spell Damage at 50% efficiency
25% Chance to cast level 1 Rend on Melee Attack
+(1 to 3) to All Skills
Adds (90 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
10% Life stolen per Hit
Stun Attack
+(140 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Physical Resist -(5 to 10)%
Socketed (3)

Maybe some physical type variant?

rugby_1 wrote:Is there any use for the following items with a UHM build? I found both of these today and wondering what can be done with them:
The Book of Kalen
The Book of Kalen
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: (3513 - 4471) to (3737 - 4757)
Chance to Block: 3%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 437
Item Level: 105
Dragon's Blessing Attribute Bonus Halved
1% Base Block Chance
30% Hit Recovery
+(20 to 40) to Carnage
+(120 to 180)% Enhanced Defense
+2000 Defense vs. Missile
Maximum Life +3%
Socketed (4)

Mad King's Spine
Mad King's Spine
Bonebreaker (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (212 - 263) to (304 - 396)
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 544
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.14 per Strength)%
Superbeast adds Deadly Strike Instead of Spell Damage at 50% efficiency
25% Chance to cast level 1 Rend on Melee Attack
+(1 to 3) to All Skills
Adds (90 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
10% Life stolen per Hit
Stun Attack
+(140 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Physical Resist -(5 to 10)%
Socketed (3)

Maybe some physical type variant?

Both items are pretty bad. Carnage is a great skill, but without full str/dex investment (depending on weapon) dmg output will be horrible, and no vit means you'll have no defense AND no hp so squishy as hell. The same applies to Mad King Spine, and also the DS bonus (which does not translate 1x1 with superbeast spell dmg, it's way lower) does not compensate the very low base dmg. The only time I've seen the book of Kalen work is when paired with Azurewrath, but good luck finding one...

Diaco wrote:
rugby_1 wrote:Is there any use for the following items with a UHM build? I found both of these today and wondering what can be done with them:
The Book of Kalen
The Book of Kalen
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: (3513 - 4471) to (3737 - 4757)
Chance to Block: 3%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 437
Item Level: 105
Dragon's Blessing Attribute Bonus Halved
1% Base Block Chance
30% Hit Recovery
+(20 to 40) to Carnage
+(120 to 180)% Enhanced Defense
+2000 Defense vs. Missile
Maximum Life +3%
Socketed (4)

Mad King's Spine
Mad King's Spine
Bonebreaker (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (212 - 263) to (304 - 396)
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 544
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.14 per Strength)%
Superbeast adds Deadly Strike Instead of Spell Damage at 50% efficiency
25% Chance to cast level 1 Rend on Melee Attack
+(1 to 3) to All Skills
Adds (90 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
10% Life stolen per Hit
Stun Attack
+(140 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Physical Resist -(5 to 10)%
Socketed (3)

Maybe some physical type variant?

Both items are pretty bad. Carnage is a great skill, but without full str/dex investment (depending on weapon) dmg output will be horrible, and no vit means you'll have no defense AND no hp so squishy as hell. The same applies to Mad King Spine, and also the DS bonus (which does not translate 1x1 with superbeast spell dmg, it's way lower) does not compensate the very low base dmg. The only time I've seen the book of Kalen work is when paired with Azurewrath, but good luck finding one...

Yikes, ok good to know - thanks for the sense check. I thought they were cool items but not very useful then.

Diaco wrote:
rugby_1 wrote:Is there any use for the following items with a UHM build? I found both of these today and wondering what can be done with them:
The Book of Kalen
The Book of Kalen
Targe (Sacred)
Defense: (3513 - 4471) to (3737 - 4757)
Chance to Block: 3%
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Dexterity: 437
Item Level: 105
Dragon's Blessing Attribute Bonus Halved
1% Base Block Chance
30% Hit Recovery
+(20 to 40) to Carnage
+(120 to 180)% Enhanced Defense
+2000 Defense vs. Missile
Maximum Life +3%
Socketed (4)

Mad King's Spine
Mad King's Spine
Bonebreaker (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (212 - 263) to (304 - 396)
(Paladin Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 544
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.14 per Strength)%
Superbeast adds Deadly Strike Instead of Spell Damage at 50% efficiency
25% Chance to cast level 1 Rend on Melee Attack
+(1 to 3) to All Skills
Adds (90 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
10% Life stolen per Hit
Stun Attack
+(140 to 200)% Enhanced Damage
Physical Resist -(5 to 10)%
Socketed (3)

Maybe some physical type variant?

Both items are pretty bad. Carnage is a great skill, but without full str/dex investment (depending on weapon) dmg output will be horrible, and no vit means you'll have no defense AND no hp so squishy as hell. The same applies to Mad King Spine, and also the DS bonus (which does not translate 1x1 with superbeast spell dmg, it's way lower) does not compensate the very low base dmg. The only time I've seen the book of Kalen work is when paired with Azurewrath, but good luck finding one...

brings back memories. i tried that combo the moment uhm got a rework. of course, it doesnt work. the only other oskill build that somehow worked was

The Grandfather

The Grandfather
Great Sword (Sacred)
One-Hand Damage: (219 - 254) to (336 - 396)
Two-Hand Damage: (312 - 347) to (423 - 483)
Required Level: 120
Required Strength: 1340
Item Level: 120
Strength Damage Bonus: (0.16 per Strength)%
+400% Deadly Strike
-5% Deadly Strike per 1% Attack Speed
Adds (75 to 110)-(180 to 240) Damage
(150 to 300)% Bonus to Attack Rating
+200% Enhanced Damage
+(30 to 40) to Ancients' Hand
+50 to all Attributes
Maximum Life +(5 to 7)%
Requirements +100%
Socketed (6)

for killing bosses. it was ok i guess, but nothing spectacular.

I'm using the set for this build right now but against bosses i have literally 0 mana because i lost all the mana on hit from the TU and a lot of life on hit. What do i do?

mana on attack mystic orbs, mana regen mystic orbs on rings + jewerly. enough attack rating to consistently beat boss defense. your melee hits need to actually connect to return any mana

Based wrote:I'm using the set for this build right now but against bosses i have literally 0 mana because i lost all the mana on hit from the TU and a lot of life on hit. What do i do?

As OP said, mana on attack MOs are the way to go. Especially since the set weapon has a level req of 80 you have lots of space for MOs, mana on attack should be prioritized. I ran this last season and noticed a huge improvement once I reached 100 mana on attack.

Rip i should have done that, i went with spell damage first.

125 Ubers in TUs, seems balanced.

rugby_1 wrote:
Based wrote:I'm using the set for this build right now but against bosses i have literally 0 mana because i lost all the mana on hit from the TU and a lot of life on hit. What do i do?

As OP said, mana on attack MOs are the way to go. Especially since the set weapon has a level req of 80 you have lots of space for MOs, mana on attack should be prioritized. I ran this last season and noticed a huge improvement once I reached 100 mana on attack.

You forgot a very important detail: you need attack rating to hit bosses to get mana from mana on hit, because ignore target defense doesnt work on bosses.