The MedianXL 2017 v1.3 SP Miniguides Compilation

Heh.... Offtopic: My first total non-cheat (no twink, no duping items... even arcane crystals was farmed by endless Meph runs) play experience was Tanya guide

I'm aware that guides take lots of effort and I think Chuck means well but untested gear suggestions don't belong in mini-guides or any guides. Chuck refuses to post screen-shots/videos or any proof of his builds and gets butt-hurt when people do anything besides praising him for his compilation. Lying is not act deserving of respect. Sorry not sorry.

Fumbles wrote:I'm aware that guides take lots of effort and I think Chuck means well but untested gear suggestions don't belong in mini-guides or any guides. Chuck refuses to post screen-shots/videos or any proof of his builds and gets butt-hurt when people do anything besides praising him for his compilation. Lying is not act deserving of respect. Sorry not sorry.

Ok, how about this: Me and a friend did 6 of these builts. They worked. And I am sure there are more people that tried them and I don't see them crying about the guide not working, that could be evidence that they work!

Oh and we did it without itempack...

Fumbles wrote:I'm aware that guides take lots of effort and I think Chuck means well but untested gear suggestions don't belong in mini-guides or any guides. Chuck refuses to post screen-shots/videos or any proof of his builds and gets butt-hurt when people do anything besides praising him for his compilation. Lying is not act deserving of respect. Sorry not sorry.

It's definetly untested midgame, but? It doesn't take a lot of brain to create a set of gear for midgame, there are usually at most 1-2 options per gear slot, maybe more for weapon. Deadfall belt, lionpaw boots, jitan, yadda yadda... Of course the bow sorc miniguide is misleading because untested leveling, but who will level such build anyway? Personally if I was chuck I would just cut the midgame part and keep it an endgame build. The fact is that you are targetting the whole compilation because that particular build wouldn't work, but I think that in most cases, you can elaborate midgame equipment set without requiring to test and be mostly accurate.

I've been a lurker for a long time, but the amount of stupidity in this thread has forced me out of the shadows...

I would just like to say that, like Nitz, I have tried several of the builds in this compilation (also back in 2012) and I have never been left disappointed nor frustrated with the results. So, even if not tested properly, the builds do work as intended which I would assume is the only real question that has to be answered in this discussion?
And on top of that - if ChuckNoRis spend just half the time playing this (wonderful) mod that he claims to, then he would in my opinion be well enough "educated" in the mysterious ways of Median to piece together gears for a lot of different builds in very little time. Besides, it's not like he claims the builds to be perfect overpowered cookie-cutter machines of destruction, in fact he claims quite the opposite, that the builds are pieced together just in order to have fun in the game - something that I can confirm has been accomplished.

Oh and by the way, I play untwinked single player and always have been (although I might have twinked one or two extremely rare and build defining SU's that dropped on the wrong character)

Good try Chuck shill account!

In all honesty, most mid game gear for WDM characters is the same, the same goes for endgame wdm characters, the only difference is between melee and ranged and several class only items.

Segnetia/Ghenna/Death Touch... the staple of every built, you don't have to play it to know that it works.

Casters have very similar items too, especially early and mid game, a bit tweaking here and there and it is a new built.

Those builds works ? Yes .. but they are much inferior to older showcases that are proven by video to work.So in other ideea.. nobody denie the effort or time spent by chuck to create those guides ... but most of those build exists since ladders ago maybe even from classic 2012 he only changed some items or adapt to new skills , but saying those...not that he didnt improved everything.... even downgraded much from the quality of previous builds/guides
( see su labrys@lion stance build //javazon@paragon //retaliator without venom sting and fauztin s shadow)

The Lion stance barb definitely needs attention. Chuck is too stubborn to admit that Boarfrost is a way better helm then Wandelkoning. He tried to say the ias was a key factor for using the helm until I brought up that Labrys only needs 58% to hit speed cap. He quickly removed that from his post and focused on other stats of the helm. Whats funny is at the very top of his first post of the compilation, Chuck explicitly says to use the speed calc for breakpoints and even links to the tools section but doesn't use it himself. I asked for ss of stat screen because I was interested in the build and was curious about how much life it had end game but Chuck ignored me.

1 point Runemaster is insufficient for a build that depends on defense, especially when Lion Stance has -25% dr penalty - Not including luck/blessed luck oils, the gear/charms put dr at 5%, this is assuming the Natasha armor has perfect 20% roll. Natasha has the defense of the other high level runeword armors but without the requirement of using jewels, which is a big deal for Runemaster. Putting only 1 point is a waste.

20 points in daedalus is a poor use of skill points, it adds less than 500 life and 250% ar, doesn't seem bad but for 20 points its too expensive. The added lightning damage is nice but its 1-6.5k not flat dmg, too trivial to depend on. Daedalus is a nice 1 point skill, some of these should go to runemaster.

Boarfrost

Boarfrost
Assault Helmet (Sacred)
Defense: (2238 - 2561) to (2449 - 2803)
(Barbarian Only)
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 600
Item Level: 120
25% Chance to cast level 40 Ice Bolt Nova on Melee Attack
20% Attack Speed
Adds 63-125 Cold Damage
+(21 to 25)% to Cold Spell Damage
-50% to Enemy Cold Resistance
+10 to Deathgaze
Weapon Physical Damage +90%
+(87 to 114)% Enhanced Defense
(21 to 25)% to Strength
Socketed (4)

is the superior helm for this build. The 100 cold pierce frees up orb space and meets one of the guidelines Chuck listed for the build. The helm also adds cold dmg, 150% ewd,(compared to 101-150 from wandel) cb and has a nova proc gets a nice boost from the cold stats on helm.

Nero

is ok but this seems like a slot to pick up some dr% - Fortress is a nice proc but won't show up often enough with a build thats geared so heavily towards killing everything with 1 shot. Path of flames would be better with Yaggai's + Ancient Hand spec.

Getting 100 light pierce shouldn't be an issue with charms + 50 from weapon and Natasha so orbing shouldn't be necessary. The drawback for Ice burst is that it travels half the distance as stormblast for 1 point invested. At least the weapon has 100% stormblast proc.

Gloves are good for the build. Rings are also ok but hard to find.

Earth Rouser

Earth Rouser
Ring
Required Level: 100
Item Level: 100
2% Chance to cast level 10 Shockwave on Melee Attack
5% Chance of Crushing Blow
Weapon Physical Damage +15%
(6 to 10)% to Strength

are cheap, have comparable stats and the proc is probably more useful. (Earthquake doesn't hit enough)

Another issue regarding defense in this build is life. Barb needs to be able to survive some hits and life is even more important since main stance is Lion. With so many points (700-800 suggested) into strength for damage, and trying to hit 95% chance to hit, there isn't a lot left for vitality. There needs to be some balance here. If it were a build focused on high risk/reward I could understand but none of the gear has any magic find so that argument is nil.

Whatever, Chuck doesn't value the opinions of those who question him or even those who offer advice to help better his gear suggestion compilation.

ChuckNoRis wrote:
Fumbles wrote:
Marchosias' Deception
would be good for buffing
indeed it's good for mid game (i have added it inside the miniguide) , but for end game still i wouldn't trade the benefits from Dragon's breach for it . Thanks for the feedback

Good night !

it actually seems like he did value your suggestions, until you got all worked up and started getting confrontational.

you can disagree with some of the choices, but at the end of the day it's his compilation and he gets the final say.

let him troll as long as he likes . i'm starting to like him