Unholy Melee Paladin [105-125 content in TU's]

No, the only difference between me and u is that i'm tryin to make 1 unholy melee paladin build works while u dont' care at all...
that's the only difference...
Feel free to make 1 sorc built guide where u go full vitality and with no mana reg on gears without addressing any mana starving issues and suggesting to use mana shield up 100%time...
it's the same case... as u know, a build doesn't cover it all... rite?

Try endgame gear suggested (both lemures/ rediance built) if u want > u're not gonna go anywhere without any way to recover mana...
Ump needs to refresh buffs too... if u go 00mana by just using the main attack... u'll stop doin dmg and u won't be able to tp away nor refresh buffs so u'll drop all defences too...
it's a not a little issue... once sanguine covenant drops = u'll have no pierce too as well... and with such a litle mana pool even mana pots won't help...

Adding tu belt/gloves for ar + spirit trance herb and add 100 on attack on wpn by standard mystic orbs is a "placeholder" that can't get replaced (so it's not a placeholder indeed)...
it's not that with radiance/lemure set up u will "magically" gain mana back... situation will just get worst since with +all skill bloodthorn/lemures will cost even more mana...

at 5fpa with superbeast.. u must recover 5xbloodthorn cost each sec... and the cost is 100-120mana x 5... not a cheap 1...

“Try endgame gear suggested (both lemures/ rediance built) if u want > u're not gonna go anywhere without any way to recover mana...”
Lol, u really played UMP？？？Have u ever tried T13+ labs？Did u ever focus on ladder before？If u ever cared about ladder before, u will notice there was UMP above lvl 140, and not only 1 or 2.
If it is like u said，“ u're not gonna go anywhere without any way to recover mana...”，then tell me why my friend used UMP to reach lvl 145+ on ladder in 1.6 season？Another friend played UMP even earlier in 1.4 and 1.5. And he has videos killing Phobos with UMP. There is no major mana issue at all for a standard UMP with endgame gears, UMOs and good charms. I really doubt if u ever played a UMP to 140, let alone lvl 140+.
Let me tell u what's the real problem for a standard late game UMP( late game means T13+ labs): Lacking single target damage compared to other bds! If u really tried those good gear late game bds like black ice asn，fire sorc，fire druid，bow druid，bear druid，beamers，voidstar pal, voidstar druid in higher labs, and u will know what Im talking about. Do u know how much time does it take for a standard late game UMP to kill Phobos? And how much for a fire/voidstar druid?
The fact here is：With good gears，UMP can do T13+ labs and kill Phobos. There is no big mana issue. The biggest problem for lategame UMP is lacking single target damage. And second is mid-ranged AOE damage of rediance build. Those problems together, lead to UMP's low efficiency in T11+ labs compared to other mighty lab bds.

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Some additional info:
- Get some mystic orbs with mana on attack and cube them to your weapon.
--> You won't need mana against normal mobs.
- Get a T4 1hand weapon with 6 sockets as honorific. Cube it with 5 x AR, 4-5 x mana on attack and insert jewels with 50% attack rating (bonus if you get flat AR on them).
--> You have a weapon with about 800% attack rating (even more if your lucky bonus applies) and 200+ mana on attack on switch (MoA is capped at 320 or something along those lines, so with crafted jewels you can reach that point, too). That should work against bosses. For even more attack rating, you can add up to another 6 jewels in some shield for another 300% attack rating.

If it is like u said，“ u're not gonna go anywhere without any way to recover mana...”，then tell me why my friend used UMP to reach lvl 145+ on ladder in 1.6 season？Another friend played UMP even earlier in 1.4 and 1.5. And he has videos killing Phobos with UMP. There is no major mana issue at all for a standard UMP with endgame gears, UMOs and good charms. I really doubt if u ever played a UMP to 140, let alone lvl 140+.

I don't give a thing about u nor ur friends... i can boost any1 up to lab15 with my sorc as well and they can come with just max res (just in case aoe elemental dmg spread as well)... come and bring ur friends if they play unholy at lvl 140+. Why are u here? who gives a damn about u since u dunno a thing about what're posting about this spec?

I'll repeat what i've said :
Come with ur lvl 140 unholy paladin and show ur gear and how u're recovering mana... stop writing non sense... do u want to keep on with ur bullsh1ts?
Once u've respecced it let's compare it with current built on page 1...

Is it so hard to understand?

Lol, u really played UMP？？？Have u ever tried T13+ labs？Did u ever focus on ladder before？If u ever cared about ladder before, u will notice there was UMP above lvl 140, and not only 1 or 2.

I have an unholy melee paladin u have not... I'm lolling at u instead... and the more he lvls the worst thngs are gettin even just cos u're gaining more lvl on bloodthornes and it costing more mana while mana pool sits pretty much at the same...

come and bring ur friends or respec uh since u're lvl 141 and let me c ur gearing for labs...
I'll be lookin forward to see the notarmor link to ur friends gear/built...

Link notarmory of ur friends in here, link the armory of ur friends unholy MELEE (not caster) paladin (that u're not) Or I warrant u that' after ur next post of nonsense ll make a post on General asking Who are ur friends playin unholy melee paladins up to 140+ and doin labs as it's pointless to discuss with u. U really understand nothing nor about the mechanics nor the issue itself... stop making urself ridicolous without adding NOTHING to the table.

some ppl are providing "patch" help... and it's working even with low ar while leveling... the same guy who made this topic..
if u check his notarmory is using at lvl 104 a CLUB t4 with only manaonattack... nothing resembling his own suggestions for the built...

Now these approaches are patches... ok... where's the endgame gear to get mana once blood thorns will starts costing 150-200mana?
Are u really gonna "umo" Dux infernum with 5x mana on attack? Use only empyrean glories with mana on attack unique mystic orbs? Using %ar crafted gears with max blessed life? This is my point... Or emppyrean glories with markmaneyes to get %ar? What are we talking about? Come with the notarmory link of ur friends?
Just a 2h with high wpn dmg to MANA LEECH? Mmm...

- Get a T4 1hand weapon with 6 sockets as honorific. Cube it with 5 x AR, 4-5 x mana on attack and insert jewels with 50% attack rating (bonus if you get flat AR on them).
--> You have a weapon with about 800% attack rating (even more if your lucky bonus applies) and 300+ mana on attack on switch (MoA is capped at 320 or something along those lines). That should work against bosses. For even more attack rating, you can add up to another 6 jewels in some shield for another 300% attack rating.
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I didn't think about honorific (on main 1h wpn)... yeah u have a great point... btw... think about it for a 2nd on l8r game...
if u need so much manaonattack to recover what do u think u'll need to do once u hit higher lvl (I assume u'll want to use a more "suitable to boost dmg wpn" than a honorific).. so u'll either have to go for 1 strong whte wpn dmg (with mana leech somewhere) and chance to hit, or mana on attack and same thing... as basic thing... not an expectional thing presented...

Btw an honorfic wpn since lvl 1 (ar/moa) wouldn't be a bad thing to be added in:
Initial / MID / endgame gear...

thi spec in its current state really just look like a goblin staff built... good ok... just untill to get a decent lvl to switch to a working 1...

marco311 wrote:
I don't give a thing about u nor ur friends...

Come with ur lvl 140 unholy paladin and show ur gear...

Is it so hard to understand?

I have an unholy melee paladin u have not... I'm lolling at u instead...

This 00%mana dude :lol:

marco311 wrote:I didn't think about honorific (on main 1h wpn)...

Yeah, honorifics are often overlooked, because most builds don't really need them. But they are really good for a few niche builds that really need that 1 specific stat. UMP is one of them.

If you socket the weapon with Ral Runes, you can also add another 20% fire spell damage with mystic orbs for a total of 38% FSD, and even more life on attack. T4 honorifics usually have a base level requirement of 24 if I remember correctly. So you can add 4 different mystic orbs and it's already a great anti-boss weapon right from level 104 onwards.

As for late game, sorry I haven't played UMP far enough, so I can't help you out in that case unfortunately.

Depending on my gear I would probably try crafting a couple of NIH jewels that have up to 8 mana/life on attack. 12 can already give your weapon/shield 96 MoA, plus the 100 you can get from mystic orbs on your weapon, and you should already be pretty fine for the most part. I would also craft those kind of jewels for runewords if you plan using some. Just to be safe.

U're rite buddy but a honorifi T1 wpn can solve EVERY single issue since lvl 24-30 cos u can just add 2-3 Moa orbs (+10-15lvls) and 2-3%ar (+10-15lvls) since that lvl about.. it entirely changes the leveling part... a 1h fast wpn with 2+range with low lvl req as t1 is the only thing u need... probably a scepter due to ias.
Ur solution is good both early/mid game not just mid (u can make honorifc on t1 wpn not just t4 and lvl req is much lower)... in 1 single item... there's no need to add any spelldmg/focus on wpn as u can get that from the rest of the gear (since ur'e gettin rid of %ar/moa issues on 1 slot)...

Then we only need to wait for others to link the notarmory of their "ump" friends doin labs 12+... easily solved...

I used to push T15 with radiance setup UMP in season 25 & 26
In addition, I have a 140 UMP in SP which is able to do T11-15 too. I can share the d2s file if u want to see it.

Just make one already. Why is there so much negativity these last 3 pages? It’s a build guide for crying out loud, if you don’t think it’ll work then don’t do it. If you are complaining about mana issues and haven’t even made the character then how would you know the inner workings? There’s tons of different builds to make in this game, choose one or make your own. Simple as that.

I used to push T15 with radiance setup UMP in season 25 & 26
In addition, I have a 140 UMP in SP which is able to do T11-15 too. I can share the d2s file if u want to see it.

just gear buddy if u can...

Just make one already. Why is there so much negativity these last 3 pages? It’s a build guide for crying out loud, if you don’t think it’ll work then don’t do it. If you are complaining about mana issues and haven’t even made the character then how would you know the inner workings? There’s tons of different builds to make in this game, choose one or make your own. Simple as that.

Maybe cos i already did and it doesn't work by following this guide? Wanna check my notarmory? u could see it in there lvl 115... check wpn on use...

My negativity comes from releasing a not working guide for a spec... simply that... and in 50pages nobody addressing that...

here , to make it easier :
https://median-xl.com/char/Avatar_Marco
without that wpn > 00%mana everywhere... now it's true that i could change every (other) single piece by adding moa/%ar... it's nowhere pointed out in guide... it looks like u're magically gettin back mana somehow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1gq7T7Duvw
here's the video made by the one making the guide (At least i think so)... check at 33min (Lord Jitan)... that's exactly the problem i'm talking about with current gear/setup suggested... 00%mana in 10s... Ok, that's a zerg and Jitan goes down... do u think it's normal to go 00mana in 10s when dealing with a boss when u can have a decent uptime?