Short Questions Thread

But it does the same thing as an honorific item, does it not? Doubles the bonus received from MOs? So what is the difference? Why isn't this exploitable by creating a runeword with the same 2x MO effectiveness as an honorific item?

thinkpositive wrote:No he doesn't. He gets the honorific bonus via the luck trial MOs and then says that runewords can be made out of the resulting item, which ChuckNoRis says can't be done. This is the very obvious and still unresolved source of my confusion.
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The honorific bonus is not the same as a honorific item <- This is your confusion. You can MO a grey weapon with the luck trial to get the double MO effect (honorific bonus). You can't make a grey item honorific to get the honorific bonus and then a runeword.

So what is the difference?

You can only make runewords out of grey items. Magical, rare, crafted, set, unique and honorific cannot be used to make rune words. A grey item with double MO bonus is not the same as a honorific item. You just took a grey item and punched a mystic orb in it, that doesn't make it honorific. In the same breath a grey item MO'd with some stuff does not make it a blue (magical) item.

yes , but you cant runeword an honorific.
Honorifics come with double MO bonus but you can only use others MO's on them + sockets , not use them as runeword bases.

Making a runeword base get double MO will transfer that double MO into it after its runeworded , so you can use it more efficiently with the double MO bonus on it. Its not exploiting. Its making a better version of the runeword if you will. Double MO = bigger stats than a normal one not-MO'd.

thinkpositive wrote:
Wotan wrote:Because the guy even takes the time and explains it in the video.

No he doesn't. He gets the honorific bonus via the luck trial MOs and then says that runewords can be made out of the resulting item, which ChuckNoRis says can't be done. This is the very obvious and still unresolved source of my confusion.

So you answered your own question, and yet still want an answer?
Double facepalm to me for telling you the zomg recipe instead the honorific one, and to you for answering your own question.
And I did answer you, but you either cant read or are stupid... or both.

This a double mo rerolling on a plain white/gray weapon with lucky trial mo. It only works for weapons.

Does it have to be honorific bonus? Crafted items dont have that bonus? Why didnt you say "crafted" bonus? Since you know the word "honorific" you should be familiar with the recipe and how to make one. Where did you see him use candle and heart on a magic item? Does he re-roll a white/grey item- yes, is honorific item any of those? - no. Did you (and I) say that he is using lucky trial MO to get the double mo bonus? Did I say its working only on weapons? - yes. Your stupid phrasing is what led to Chuck's answer. That rw dont work on honorifics. Its not honorific, its a weapon prepared for a rw, since weapons benefit from lucky trial mo, hence its stupid to pass that opportunity in most cases... If its still not clear, maybe go read the docs about something as trivial as this. You should be thankful of how well explained the docs are nowadays and how well digested the info is, cause back in the day you had to use your brain and common sense. You don't have to be veteran to be able to read and follow basic logic.

Wotan, yes, I did miss what you said about the honorific bonus is different to an honorific item in that it is only applicable to weapons via the luck trial MO and yes, that is my bad. Now, that having been said, that was, from your perspective, literally the only thing I possibly could have been confused about. How about saying:

"The MOx2 effect via luck trial MOs is identical to the bonus an honorific item has, but it can only be applied to weapons via the luck trial MOs. Weapons that get this bonus remain runeword-able."

Instead, what you said was:

Wotan wrote:Do you even know what honorific is? Where did you see him use magic item + magic amu + magic ring to make one in the first place? This a double mo rerolling on a plain white/gray weapon with lucky trial mo. It only works for weapons.

No, I am not sure I do. Getting the honorific bonus via luck trial MOs seems the same to me as simply having an honorific item. What is this recipe he is talking about? Nothing I have looked at has anything to do with that recipe. Man, this guy's an asshole. Actually, in every interaction I've had with this guy, he's been an asshole. What's his problem?

See what the problem is? A bit of niceness and a shred of intelligence and forethought and we could have all gone home quickly. Also, notice how this is thread is in the "Newbie Help" subforum. Do you think what you said would make immediate sense to a "Newbie" who needs "Help"? Instead of being an elitist moron, how about next time someone has a problem, you let someone helpful answer? That will save everyone a lot of time.

Thanks to ChuckNoRis, Prime_Evil and Nitz for their actual help.

It's because it's annoying to answer questions which are easily and obviously answered else where on this forums (the docs, your greatest source of raw information on this mod). Having to answer a simple question, which can be assumed to be already known if you read the docs, is unnecessary and thus' a pain to these "elitist". The only reason why you're getting polite answers from others is because they probably haven't gone through enough experience to lose their patience. That or they're too polite to be an ass in any situation.

When are crafts better than other types of items? I'm creating this spreadsheet (only sorting modifiers that help a caster) and it seems to be a recurring pattern of crafts having higher stats. The stat that appear to be higher though tend to only be -enemy elemental resist and +elemental spell damage. Additionally, there are rare occasions where some runewords or sacred uniques trump crafts. I'm just curious what experienced players have a say in this, especially in cases when we're not talking about casters.

TheUnderling wrote:When are crafts better than other types of items? I'm creating this spreadsheet (only sorting modifiers that help a caster) and it seems to be a recurring pattern of crafts having higher stats. The stat that appear to be higher though tend to only be -enemy elemental resist and +elemental spell damage. Additionally, there are rare occasions where some runewords or sacred uniques trump crafts. I'm just curious what experienced players have a say in this, especially in cases when we're not talking about casters.

Generally damage wise crafts are better, the cowboys from hell set has more elemental damage, other great modifiers are better on rune words/uniques. For example

Ashaera's Armor

Ashaera's Armor
Belt (Sacred)
Defense: 1687 to 1760
Required Level: 100
Required Strength: 575
Item Level: 105
+(21 to 25) Spell Focus
+(11 to 15)% to Spell Damage
+500 Defense
(11 to 15)% to Energy
Elemental Resists +(10 to 15)%
Physical Resist 10%
Socketed (2)

ends up having a bit lower damage as a craft belt but gives you additional 10% DR.

quick question: what exactly is the mechanic of the Iron Giant's "heroic shield" from yshari santum, everytime I reduce it's HP to around 25% it immnediately becomes immune to all three fire, cold, light elements and only stop after regening to full health

double post